and forgot to mention the smaller bits and pieces are really getting hard to find new for a LWB. I've been searching for rear window seals for awhile now without success. my plan is too buy another one just for parts when I get back.
RRC LWB questions
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So much to reply to - sorry it's taken me awhile to get back to this thread.
Cargo room: I'm having a hard time seeing in my mind's eye how it can be less than a Discovery. Even if all the extra room of the longer wheelbase went into the back seat, couldn't I fold down that back seat and make a LOT more room than a Disco? The other thing is with the gate, I can carry longer things than with the Disco's rear door - the window doesn't open so I can't stick anything out the back. I know it's shorter inside, but I've almost never used all the interior height of the back of the D1 - with the spare wheel and tire removed, is there really that much less room than a Disco with 7 seats?
Defender high-cap pickup... oh man, dream on.
Hannibal rack vs SD rack - good tip!
Elias - the idea of a work truck plus Mamba is a good idea... 'cept you know where I live - my neighbors would hate me!
Plus I think my wife's patience would wear pretty thin if we had more than one truck around for anything over a month. She is NOT keen on the idea of having three cars! I've been keeping an eye peeled for a decent one needing heads or something, spotted this in the Bev, needs a water pump but otherwise looks pretty nice.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/3963554370.html
Price is a bit high though. Maybe they could be convinced to come down on it a bit.
I don't really need or want a trailer. I REALLY don't want a full-size pickup/SUV - if I did, I'd be looking at the F150 Raptor instead of an excursion (ugh).
I know it seems like madness to consider going from a newer rover to an older one that I know less about. ...but Mamba is 14 years old. The difference between 14 years and 19 years - is that really so much? I either need to get something much newer, or get something that I definitely want to keep forever, build it up exactly how I want it from the ground up - with longevity in mind, and keep it strong. If I were to keep the D1 forever, I'd need to do a lot to it. Aluminum wheels or a new set of steelies with a better powder coat, some body work to remove rust around the rear windows, new window seals, an undercarriage powerwash and probably a coat of something to keep rot at bay, new tires, new paint, some interior love, a new and better camshaft, an LT230, rear locker, HD axles, new suspension (want to go to a 3"), and the front and rear bumpers are getting rusty - they'll need to be removed, bead-blasted, and re-powdercoated or replaced with some new fab work.
Part of the reason an RRC is appealing to me is the idea of building my dream truck from the beginning. I'd love a cammed 4.6, electronic ignition, 3" lift, 35's, full size rack, TT front and rear, HD axles, DC driveshaft, bumpers, new winch... I could make it a beast. ...Doesn't seem like a helluva lot more than I need to do on Mamba anyhow, does it, even if I have to fix some other things along the way? Whereas if I stuck with the D1, would I always be left wanting a rear gate and 10" more of wheelbase - something I can't fix?
The more I think about it, the more I want an empty frame and body that I can start painting, coating, and bolting things onto one at a time until I've built the truck of my dreams. I may not have a full-service shop like Elias does... but I DO have a garage, and a parking space, and a 15,000 sq ft workshop that would make most of your jaws drop where I can build damned near anything.
Elias... you may be right. I shouldn't spend thousands on an RRC. I should keep Mamba for the foreseeable future, and a Costco trip's worth on a body and frame to keep parked at the shop, and start something EPIC!
Cargo room: I'm having a hard time seeing in my mind's eye how it can be less than a Discovery. Even if all the extra room of the longer wheelbase went into the back seat, couldn't I fold down that back seat and make a LOT more room than a Disco? The other thing is with the gate, I can carry longer things than with the Disco's rear door - the window doesn't open so I can't stick anything out the back. I know it's shorter inside, but I've almost never used all the interior height of the back of the D1 - with the spare wheel and tire removed, is there really that much less room than a Disco with 7 seats?
Defender high-cap pickup... oh man, dream on.
Hannibal rack vs SD rack - good tip!
Elias - the idea of a work truck plus Mamba is a good idea... 'cept you know where I live - my neighbors would hate me!
Plus I think my wife's patience would wear pretty thin if we had more than one truck around for anything over a month. She is NOT keen on the idea of having three cars! I've been keeping an eye peeled for a decent one needing heads or something, spotted this in the Bev, needs a water pump but otherwise looks pretty nice.http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/3963554370.html
Price is a bit high though. Maybe they could be convinced to come down on it a bit.
I don't really need or want a trailer. I REALLY don't want a full-size pickup/SUV - if I did, I'd be looking at the F150 Raptor instead of an excursion (ugh).
I know it seems like madness to consider going from a newer rover to an older one that I know less about. ...but Mamba is 14 years old. The difference between 14 years and 19 years - is that really so much? I either need to get something much newer, or get something that I definitely want to keep forever, build it up exactly how I want it from the ground up - with longevity in mind, and keep it strong. If I were to keep the D1 forever, I'd need to do a lot to it. Aluminum wheels or a new set of steelies with a better powder coat, some body work to remove rust around the rear windows, new window seals, an undercarriage powerwash and probably a coat of something to keep rot at bay, new tires, new paint, some interior love, a new and better camshaft, an LT230, rear locker, HD axles, new suspension (want to go to a 3"), and the front and rear bumpers are getting rusty - they'll need to be removed, bead-blasted, and re-powdercoated or replaced with some new fab work.
Part of the reason an RRC is appealing to me is the idea of building my dream truck from the beginning. I'd love a cammed 4.6, electronic ignition, 3" lift, 35's, full size rack, TT front and rear, HD axles, DC driveshaft, bumpers, new winch... I could make it a beast. ...Doesn't seem like a helluva lot more than I need to do on Mamba anyhow, does it, even if I have to fix some other things along the way? Whereas if I stuck with the D1, would I always be left wanting a rear gate and 10" more of wheelbase - something I can't fix?
The more I think about it, the more I want an empty frame and body that I can start painting, coating, and bolting things onto one at a time until I've built the truck of my dreams. I may not have a full-service shop like Elias does... but I DO have a garage, and a parking space, and a 15,000 sq ft workshop that would make most of your jaws drop where I can build damned near anything.
Elias... you may be right. I shouldn't spend thousands on an RRC. I should keep Mamba for the foreseeable future, and a Costco trip's worth on a body and frame to keep parked at the shop, and start something EPIC!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/3963383747.html for your rare plywood carrying needs. Don't cock up a LWB.
Or why even buy another vehicle if it's infrequent.... http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/cat...ental&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053
I'm no LWB expert, but I'm pretty sure that the seats still pivot off the same type of piece and therefore you will not get the added length when you flip them forward, folded down yes, but folded down and forward no.
Why don't you just put any lame ass E series van or old two door long bed pickup at your 15,000 sq ft jaw dropping workshop?
Just admit that a Discovery is not hipster enough for you. It doesn't present the ideal image of how you want other to view you. It isn't classic looking enough to still make you feel good about what you drive and you want something different. You describe the needs of a work vehicle and you're looking at LWB RRCs and four door Tacomas... pointless... then you go on about building your work truck into something with 35s and a 3" lift... figure yourself out and don't try to justify wanting a different vehicle by saying it can't haul plywood because you are bored with yours.
That sounded harsh but this thread makes no sense at all.
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actually, I prefer the looks of a disco to an RRC.
And "hipster"...? Are you sure you know what that means?
And "hipster"...? Are you sure you know what that means?
and again, I don't want three cars.
building a frame up defender is a pretty good idea... Dunno where I'd source it all though.
building a frame up defender is a pretty good idea... Dunno where I'd source it all though.
I've carried 4x8 sheets of 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 plywood in my swb Rover. Without the spare tire in place, the sheets fit across the top of the bottom tailgate and hang out the back about 3ft. That's with the middle seats folded flat and the sheets touching the back of the front seats.
Ironically, it was to (re)build a trailer. Save your time and effort. Buy a trailer or an econoline van.
Ironically, it was to (re)build a trailer. Save your time and effort. Buy a trailer or an econoline van.
I don't know what he thinks, but as far as I'm concerned, a hipster is a yuppie's kid that's gone off the deep end.
The very concept of social relevance is what defines them. They stay so damned close the bleeding edge of culture that they'd probably seem a little unique in any universe without millions of them.
They want to eat sushi so badly that they will acquire the taste for it. They like attending outdoor concerts held by people who find all their notes at Goodwill. They'd love to have the shirt off my back, because it's got that look of having been worn in and repaired.
They are contagious, and I'm convinced that they were put on this planet solely to annoy me. Yuppies were bad enough. Why did they have to start breeding?
The only good thing hipsters have done recently is keep Mexican Coke on the shelves. I prefer it. They just think it's cool.
Cheers,
Kennith
LOL. If you were buying a full-size work truck, you would buy the Raptor? The most useless, most poseur of the entire range of full-size options.
There have been some pretty funny help-me-make-a-car-buying-decision threads on DWeb but this one takes the cake.
I don't think you guys quite understand what I'm saying; this is a logic problem. I love my disco. I want something as similar to it as possible that will meet my needs - carry longer items, notably plywood and a longboard, wheel very well, be great for camping trips and expeditions to Baja, the Sierra, etc, be better for sleeping inside, and a vehicle that I will also love. Three cars and trailers aren't much of an option for me unless its a temporary situation. Bearing those parameters in mind, do you not reach the sane conclusion I have?
Go for it. Just remove the spare from the back and take the little lift tabs off the lower gate of they are still there (plywood will break them) - you'll be happier. The functionality of the RRC rear gate is far better in my opinion.
Discos are cool but an RRC to me is a better all around truck.
Doug
Discos are cool but an RRC to me is a better all around truck.
Doug
A roof rack and roof top tent would solve all your problems. I see you said more than 4 pieces on your roof is hairy, but how many more will you carry in the LWB that you couldn't just make two trips or have the plywood delivered? Leave the trailer at your workshop that is so fantastic it would make our jaws drop. I do not come to anywhere close to the same conclusion as you and never would. Sell my current vehicle and get one that isn't in the same condition and have to spend time working on it to get it up to snuff just to carry more plywood. Why not rent one u-haul trailer and load it up with plywood one day and not buy plywood for months. Plenty of solutions that don't involve selling your vehicle at a loss and buying a new one that will be overpriced and need work.
kriskross - i will share with you a recent heart-breaker of a logic problem... ultimately, the big rule is to just take the shizzle or get off the pizzle!
zeus - gone. i cant even talk about how i finally completed the truck of my dreams down to every big and small stupid detail. plus the memories and on and on. BABY came. if my wifes d1 is down and im working on it, aint no way she's gonna roll around w/zeus (despite how cool i thought that would be). i needed a carbon copy of her truck... which i now have.... and my days of vanishing for long stretches of time are done for now.... zeus deseres better than getting parking tickets and collecting dust.... and so he left friday morning with his new owner for a hunting ranch in minnesota....
meaning... sometimes when its time for a new rig, its just time.... and damn it all - its OKAY.
fyi.... i saw that pile of shit LWB in the bev.... it needs a leeeeeeetle bit more than a waterpump....
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