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[discostew]

I broke down and bought this Autel scanner. I got it about 6 weeks ago and It's really pretty great. It won't work on 2018 and newer Rovers. Nobody really offers anything that does the eathernet connection to the car. Right now I think it's only a small handful of manufacturers doing that anyway. All the screen prompts and instructions look identical to the factory stuff.
It's kind of expensive at $1000 if your not using it proffesionally but they have stuff that goes much higher than this one and all the way down to code readers for under $60. I prefer this to Land Rover's SDD

MaxiSYS MS906 | Autel

www.autel.com

 

[pinkytoe69]

Does it do air suspension calibration?

 

[robertf]

It won't work on 2018 and newer Rovers. Nobody really offers anything that does the eathernet connection to the car.

Interesting. Did the diagnostic port physically change or just the software side of it?

 

[discostew]

Interesting. Did the diagnostic port physically change or just the software side of it?

Newer Jaguar Landrover products use an ethernet connection to the gateway module. They no longer use CAN protocall, they now use Flexray. Similar but some noticable differances make it much more robust. I'm told that Flexray can still carry messages with a screw thru it. There is a CAN conection at the diagnostic connector because DOT mandates it for emissions test stations. It's only the PCM that has that link to the diagnostic connector.

The diagnostic tool used is called Pathfinder on those systems. Pathfinder is linked to the gaateway via an ethernet connection and all other modules on the vehicle are connected to the gateway via Flexray. No flexray conections are made to the diagnostic connector. They have to be accessed at connectors that are usually fairly easy to access in the kick panels at the base of the A pillars.

 

[discostew]

Does it do air suspension calibration?

Yes. It does just about everything. I have reset def monitors, service intervals on used cars around here like Audi and BMW. If I was going to do it again I would have gotten the MP808. When dealing with this company it got kinda wierd for a while. The 808 was supposed to be for a different market and people I talked to at AESWAVE and Autel told me that the updates and warranty repairs might come from another market. This scanner is cable to the car and I had to search old stock to find it. I didnt want the blutooth connection and that little dongle for one of my guys to leave behind. But I did give up a little functionality to get the cable connection.

 

[Tugela]

So what are the options for DIY scanning and diagnostics if you own a newer Rover? From the info shared thus far on this thread it sounds like an owner is limited to the dealership unless/until a consumer tool is available that's compatible with the newer systems. This doesn't sound like an issue for most buyers who would take their vehicle to the dealership for diagnostics/service regardless, but I imagine some owners would still want to have a tool in their Rovers akin to a Gap iid or similar.

 

[robertf]

FlexRay Automotive Communication Bus Overview

The FlexRay communications bus is a deterministic, fault-tolerant high-speed bus system developed for automotive use. Learn more in this NI white paper.

www.ni.com

so can the rover t4 or whatever they use now talk to a flexray component through the can port or does the ecu isolate all communications?

 

[discostew]

The gateway module isolates all networks and the only access to all those modules is thru the ethernet connection to the gateway. T4 is the old old machine. The last vehicle that machine worked on was the L322 Range rover up to '05 and I think the Freelander. The Pathfinder software is loaded onto the same laptop we use for SDD. So the only difference in hardware is the interface units. SDD uses VCI and Pathfinder uses a DOIP made by Bosch (Diagnostics Over Internet Protocal

 

[discostew]

So what are the options for DIY scanning and diagnostics if you own a newer Rover? From the info shared thus far on this thread it sounds like an owner is limited to the dealership unless/until a consumer tool is available that's compatible with the newer systems. This doesn't sound like an issue for most buyers who would take their vehicle to the dealership for diagnostics/service regardless, but I imagine some owners would still want to have a tool in their Rovers akin to a Gap iid or similar.

I was told by the guys at AESWAVE that some companies are making the DOIPS but all are dependant on the software from the manufacturers. It's not out of the realm of possible to own the stuff. But the DOIP will run about 1300 and the laptop should be a toughbook because of some panasonic script it has to have. The software I can download for free but I usually only do that if the laptop was first purchased as a SDD for the dealership. I'm not sure what they would do about bootlegging the stuff. Don't care to find out. I basically have kept all our laptops going way past the life expectancy of one of them.

 

[discostew]

I had a little glitch with this thing today. Working on a 12 sport. This Autel scanner was telling me the headlamp control module was bitching about invalid data from the ABS, and it didn’t have ABS in the list of modules like ABS was down. I put the Rover SDD on it and it was actually the headlamp control module bitching about missing messages from the headlamp swiveling motors. No codes stored in ABS, so all it’s data had to be valid.

 

[discostew]

I had a little glitch with this thing today. Working on a 12 sport. This Autel scanner was telling me the headlamp control module was bitching about invalid data from the ABS, and it didn’t have ABS in the list of modules like ABS was down. I put the Rover SDD on it and it was actually the headlamp control module bitching about missing messages from the headlamp swiveling motors. No codes stored in ABS, so all it’s data would be valid.

 

[jymmiejamz]

I borrowed an Autel scanner when I was having SDD issues and it didn’t seem to do much other than read codes. I needed to program an LR3 ride level module for an AMK compressor and it didn’t even have the option for it. Does yours do stuff like that?

 

[discostew]

There’s so many of them. There’s on that costs about 400 and I agree it wasn’t great. A tool guy lent it to me for a couple weeks.
I’m thinking they have something messed up with that 2012 ish 5.0. Everything else has worked pretty well.
One thing that’s pretty handy is a link from the fault code readout that puts all the relevant pods on a page.