Seriously, what to do?

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2FUELS

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Let me state first off that I am a firm believer in my 2nd Amendment right, and as a legal gun owner I do have and use safety devices including a safe to ensure they stay under my control.

Having said that, and in light of what seems to be a increase in whack jobs armed and intent on killing "those that done me wrong", what are we to do?

Do existing laws, or enforcement of those laws help?

Are we powerless to stop these people?

Do you cringe as I do everytime I see these shootings/headlines?

Knowing that these idiots are providing the absolute ammunition for the ban-happy do-gooders, I feel its almost an uphill battle.

Anyone have an idea?
 

Timmy!!!!!!!

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Well for Sunday's church shooting incident I put 20 dollars on it that there is some form of a "security detail" that is armed in case of something like that happening. I know one of the Pastors at my church that from what I understand actually knows the Pastor that was killed and he was telling us that the church thought it was part of a high intense drama that just took place and was completely confused about what was going on till they saw the blood. Now for the incident that happened in Alabama and Germany I don't know to much of what happened.
 
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varova87

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I believe the church shooting in colorado springs was ended by someone with their CCW that was armed.
 

Timmy!!!!!!!

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varova87 said:
I believe the church shooting in colorado springs was ended by someone with their CCW that was armed.

Dang I forgot about that one. I wasn't saying anything was wrong with CCW at church. I am completely for it. Kinda cool to watch our security detail at church they have the earbuds like the secret service walking around. Just stating that there were people there most likely that had CCW there.
 

Leslie

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Arm everyone. Anyone tries something that everyone else doesn't like, well.......


An armed society is a polite society.
 

varova87

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yeah, plenty of folks at my church carry during services, concealed of course.

the whole clear earbud secret service thing is overkill. just allow carrying in churches.
 

stolenheron

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brianhoberg said:
i know a couple of pastors that actually have their CCW.

+1, i was at the range this december just breaking in my dad's new .270....then i see a preacher pull up in a wrangler. he has a gun on his hip and carries over a few ARs and AKs up to the bench. he starts nailing paper at 100 yards on the rail sights like no tomorrow.

turns out he is the "official preacher" of that county's sheriff's dept. haha dude was a badass
 

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I vote for shoot the fuckers!


+1


I carry a sidearm nearly everywhere I go. Honestly, I though it was goofy and uneeded for a long while. I initially got my concealed carry permit so I could carry while hiking. But all it takes is one look at the news to see that bad stuff can happen anywhere at any time. Just look at what happened in Alabama.

At minimum I carry a S&W Airweight in my pants pocket. When possible I strap on either a Glock 19 or 1911.
 
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2FUELS

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I know, I know. Simply passing laws to limit gun ownership does nothing but make "responsible" gun owners criminals.

I fall into the catagorie of "I'd rather have one and not need it" as well.

No matter how you slice it I guess going armed "without intent" gives one the opportunity to end a rampage and protect themselves, friends and family but DAMN, you'd better be sure who you're shooting at.

I don't know the laws well enough to comment on the thousands of what if scenarios, but in this land of lawsuits and liability non-coms in the crossfire would be just as likely to go after the second shooter as much as the first.

I don't like the answer, but I don't like the alternative either.
 

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I took my CHL, here in Texas, with two Catholic priests. Both were crack shots and punched some pretty decent holes in their targets. I have my CHL/CCW, but do not carry very often-just when I am in a potentially dangerous area. Who would think that church would be a place you would need to carry?? This is definitely a different world we are living in these days. I too cringe when I here stories of these shootings, but the simple fact remains that criminals and people on the "fringe" will get weapons if they want to anyway and these shootings just provide fodder for the anti-gunners. Eric Holder made some comments about banning assault weapons because of the illegal and dangereous activities of the Mexican drug cartels in the border states. I want my assault weapons when the cartels come..I don't know about you folks, but I want to protect what is mine. He thinks that banning the weapons will eliminate a source for the cartels to access the weapons. hahaha...yeah right!!

Pencils don't mis-spell words and therefore guns do not kill people...

If we are going to be told by "der Fuhrer Obama" that we cling to our guns and religion-we might as well do it together and cling to our guns AT church..:patriot:
 

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2FUELS said:
I don't know the laws well enough to comment on the thousands of what if scenarios, but in this land of lawsuits and liability non-coms in the crossfire would be just as likely to go after the second shooter as much as the first.

I don't like the answer, but I don't like the alternative either.

Get youself over to http://www.iowacarry.org/ and learn the rules!

KAA
DSM
 

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The guy responsible for that shooting is a nutjob, plain and simple. 99.9% of all law abiding gun owners are just that, law abiding. And, who either have their guns for recreation, protection, or both. You should not start calling for stricter gun laws because of what this asshat did, and furthermore, 2fuels, you don't seem like the "firm believer in my 2nd Amendment right" type of person you claim to be if you are on here trying start what ever it is you are trying to start! Asking if stricter gun laws should be put in place and saying that you, a gun owner, cringe when you see headlines that talk about shootings, and I assume you mean shootings referring to legal gun owners as that is what this thread is about, is providing just as much ammo to the liberal left as the actual shooter. You make it sound like you've lost faith in the laws that are already in place and that is exactly what they are looking for, for us to start having doubts ourselves.

As for carrying in a church, I wish Georgia would allow CCW holders to carry in a church.

Mike
 

kennith

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CCW is the answer...going the other way puts the country at risk.

just ask the founding fathers :D

Agreed. I got on a roll with the rest of this, and it isn't directed at anyone that has so far posted in this thread. I just went on, like I sometimes do.:rofl:

Ensuring that places of mass gathering are full of unarmed people that cannot readily escape does nothing but provide a perfect killing field for the individual that is bent on doing the killing.

If people carried weapons wherever they saw fit, this would not be such a problem. You would still have a shootout every now and again, but you have to remember something.

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. This has been said many times before, but it is such a slogan now that people just don't fucking get it, so I'll put it so everyone can understand it. Get your imagination caps on for a second, here. By the way, this is all pretend:D , so not to worry, but let your mind go with it.

I am blackhearted murderous bastard, for one reason or another.

Lately, I have been with you at home, but you never knew it. I have determined your schedule, after following you to work a few times in rented cars. I've seen you put your daughter in the family car in her little ballet dress after school for her Wednesday practice. I know that Saturday night, after she is tucked neatly in bed in her room with those cute lavender walls, with the nightlight on behind the new dollhouse you bought her for her seventh birthday, I have watched with interest as you and your wife stay downstairs to curl up and watch a movie. Do you know that your daughter's legs twitch when she is dreaming?

I do.

Wouldn't you like to know that someone at ballet practice is equipped to stop me when I show up to tell her that daddy sent uncle Kennith to pick her up? I'll bet she likes ice cream. The instructor tried, but when I flashed a gun she ran right back inside. The other parents never even noticed. They didn't want to notice.

How much do you hate me right now? It makes my skin crawl even typing like this, but what the hell does it take for people to learn?

People can get you. People want to get you. They want to take the things you have, steal away your children, and kill you. I've dealt with this before, it happens.

Only recently, a friend of mine was at work. His wife was at home. She, like many nowadays, thought all these guns needed to be off the street. Until one day, when she caught someone watching through her window. He immediately broke in, and she fled to the closet in her bedroom, where her husband had INSISTED she keep a shotgun. She despised the thing, and refused to train with it, demanding that it not be kept in the home.

Having no training, shotgun in hand, she was pulled from the closet, and bad things started to happen. Not a single shot was fired.

Now, she can almost outscore ME on a range, and has one of the fastest sight pictures I've ever seen. She has three guns of her own, and a stash of ammunition ready. She has qualified as an NRA distinguished expert. I know, I was the RSO when it was witnessed. She has begged me to train her in personal combat with and without the aid of a non projectile weapon.

All of a sudden, it matters to her.

Why?

Because she was too fucking blind before to see that she is the only one who can protect herself against an attack. It took a RAPIST in her own home before she learned.

There are people who would go into your children's school and attempt to murder them all, kidnap them, or otherwise do them harm. There are people who would come into your home and violate your existence, your property, even your body.

This is nothing new. It has been going on as long as humans have been around. Now, however, we have the news, and unlike yesteryear, they are no longer afraid to show you what happens in the world. As a matter of fact, they WANT to show it now, for their own reasons.

People want to believe that they have no need to protect themselves. They are wrong. Dead wrong. And it is too often learned the hard way.

It takes a crime sometimes to show people that criminals exist in their personal world as well as on television.

By attempting erode the second amendment with paperwork, people are trying to remove your ability to protect yourself from these threats. They do this because they are ignorant and cowardly. They do this because they fear the very idea that they are responsible for their own personal safety. Some do this because they know a disarmed population is an obedient population. It HAS happened before in America in areas, and it never stopped the crime. As a matter of fact, those areas developed reputations for their lawless nature. The killings never stopped, all it did was disarm the law abiding few.

I do what I please in protecting myself. No man can tell me he will provide for my safety and not be a liar. I protect myself. If that involves a gun, so be it, and damn the consequences. Call me paranoid, when your own world falls apart around you one day. People have tried to get me, and I'm still here.

If people tried to get you, would you still be here?

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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DiscoTech said:
The guy responsible for that shooting is a nutjob, plain and simple. 99.9% of all law abiding gun owners are just that, law abiding. And, who either have their guns for recreation, protection, or both. You should not start calling for stricter gun laws because of what this asshat did, and furthermore, 2fuels, you don't seem like the "firm believer in my 2nd Amendment right" type of person you claim to be if you are on here trying start what ever it is you are trying to start! Asking if stricter gun laws should be put in place and saying that you, a gun owner, cringe when you see headlines that talk about shootings, and I assume you mean shootings referring to legal gun owners as that is what this thread is about, is providing just as much ammo to the liberal left as the actual shooter. You make it sound like you've lost faith in the laws that are already in place and that is exactly what they are looking for, for us to start having doubts ourselves.

As for carrying in a church, I wish Georgia would allow CCW holders to carry in a church.

Mike

I don't know about that. I hate that we need them. I'd love for everyone to just throw them all away. That is never going to happen, though.

Humans are not naturally peaceful.

Cheers,

Kennith