Sloppy Service

Ryanspeed

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I just returned from having my 60,000 mile service and I have a few issues that I need some advice on.

1) This service interval is the major one for fluids change, but I don't think the fluid in my differentials was changed. There is oil/fluid that has been wiped off the fill-plug area, but the drain plugs still have some dirt caked on them. When I looked at the drain plugs for the oil pan and transmission, they have oil residue wiped around the plugs. So I decided to open the fill plugs and they were definitely full with a light milky brown fluid. Is that what one would expect too see after it was just changed? If it had not been changed would it be darker? Is there any way to test the fluid to see if it was really changed?

2) I bought pads and rotors from EE and tried to install them myself before the service so that I could pass inspection, but I could not get the damn rotors off. I beat the shit out of them, soaked them in a degreaser, and tried heating them up (suggested in another thread), but nothing worked. So after disassembling the whole caliper assembly for two wheels, I had to put it back together with the old parts. It took me probably 15 minutes to get all of those wheels down to just the rotors, so I figured that the labor charges at the dealership couldn't be too high, but they charged me 4.5 hours ($392)!! Is that a normal/standard labor charge, because it seems ridiculously high to me?

3) There were alot of other minor things that aren't that big of a deal, but they add up especially when my total charge was $1400.
a. They charged me $12 to clean my battery terminals.
b. My car wasn't washed when I arrived, and after they asked me if I "really" wanted it washed they did a crappy job and didn't vacuum. (I really don't care if it gets washed, but again for $1400 they should have done something.)
c. They wouldn't pass the inspection unless I had two rock chips in the windshield fixed, but they were on the passenger side (not in the field of vision) and they now look worse than they did before. I paid $60 for a glob of superglue. I could have waited too have them fixed, but I would have had to pay the inspection fee again and the dealership is over 50 miles from my house.
d. One of the mechanics broke off the relay for my fog lights and they didn't work. It works now that I shook it a few times, but they should have fixed it.

I know this is alot of info, but I am just wondering do many of you think this is excessive? Would you complain, and if so would you take it up with the dealership or call LRNA directly. I really hate having to get the service done at the dealerships, but I have an extended warranty so I kind of have to. I really don't have the time to deal with all of this, i.e. get everything checked somewhere else and stay on hold for three hours with someone, but I hate it when mechanics get away with this shit. I probably would have let most of it slide had I not paid $400 for the brakes and noticed the diffs.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
 

NVRover

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Ditto what Philip said...I'd seek out the Service Manager, and possibly the General Manager, and physically show him the old fluid, plus the other conditions you described. Obviously take a tactful approach at first, but escalate your displeasure until you get the service you deserve.
 

Meisterbr?wn

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I agree with the others: its worth bringing up. I wouldn't get fired up on the phone and start yelling but you need to be better taken care of.

I'd suggest detailing what went wrong (basically repeating what you just wrote) in a letter/fax. I'd try talking to the service manager first before you send it to them - give them a "heads up" this is coming. Then ask (in the fax) to be called back.

You've got legit issues, not a lot of nit-picky crap. At my 47.5 k service (I think that's it) they "forgot" to replace the serpintine belt - so mistakes happen. Thankfully they were very apologetic and fixed it right away.

Good luck.
 

Ron L

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Only suggestion I can make is check to make sure they put an air filter back in it.

...and no I am not going to explain why you should check :cool:
 

Tom in MD

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Crappy Service

"Milky brown fluid". Should be clear like honey, depending on the brand used. Sounds like they just topped off the diff. Lazy bastards. Yup, call the Service Manager.
 
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timbo

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Tom in MD said:
"Milky brown fluid". Should be clear like honey, depending on the brand used. Sounds like they just topped off the diff. Lazy bastards. Yup, call the Service Manager.
mmm good ol' salad dressing. Great for internals... :rolleyes:
 

antichrist

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If you bought the vehicle there, be sure to go talk to the sales person you dealt with and let them know your displeasure, even if the servive dept makes it right. If they don't make it right, let the sales person know that you won't be buying another, and that you will pass the word around about the "quality" of the service dept. They start loosing sales, they'll have the GM "speak" with the service manager.
 
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1st Rover

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Sounds just like my last Mercedes service visit, only yours was cheaper and at least there was fluid in your truck (don't ask, sold the M-B and won't buy another in this area).

Closer to your question, "milky brown" sounds like water contamination to me, seems that the fluid should be clear regardless of color (brand), do others agree?

Can't help on the brakes.

- Jeff Miller
 

stansell

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Ryan Speed and all others trying to pull rotors:

Did that same job this weekend and beat like hell to get the rotors off. No luck. :eek: So I went to Auto Zone to get some rotor pullers, basically three arms with a center pushing screw, and it turns out they rent them out for free. You pay for them upfront, then return them for refund. I am sure Napa, Kragen, etc have similar deals. Sorry its too late for you Ryan, but this may help others. The right tool makes jobs go so much quicker. :cool:
 

Ryan Graham

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Just to let everyone know. You dont have to put up with that kind of service from the dealership, even if you have an extended service contract. The dealership cannot deny warranty claims based on where you had your work done. You are allowed to take your vehicle anywhere you want to. They are not allowed to even imply that you are required to have your vehicle serviced with them. ITS FEDERAL LAW. Sorry, just another aftermarket technician rant I guess
 

Ryanspeed

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Thanks

Thanks for all of the info. To answer some of your questions:

Phillip- I had the vehicle serviced at LR Centerville, UT. Unfortunately, I did not buy my DII there because I just moved here from Texas, which brings up another point that I get treated like a bastard step child whenever I have my truck serviced at a dealership other than the one where I bought it. For those of us who have to move around alot, it is not always possible to have it serviced at the original dealership.

Ron- Yes I did check the air filter because that was one of the first things I thought of after noticing the diff plug. It was a new one, and was correctly installed.

Rob- Thanks for the advice on the rotor pullers, I probably could have bought a set for $400.

Ryan Graham- I noticed your profile lists you living in Ogden, UT, do you have a garage?
 

rw229

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Ryanspeed said:
I get treated like a bastard step child whenever I have my truck serviced at a dealership other than the one where I bought it. For those of us who have to move around alot, it is not always possible to have it serviced at the original dealership.

Sounds typical... The local LR dealer will not give you a service loaner for warranty work if you didn't buy the truck from them. When I asked, I was told service loaners were reserved for "THEIR" customers. One would think that a service loaner would be part of the factory warranty, but I guess not?
 
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Snwbord24

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I've gotten service loaners from my local dealer and didn't buy mine here. If they don't have any available then I'm SOL of course.
 

Meisterbr?wn

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I think a loaner is pretty much up to the dealer - I'm sure there is nothing in the warranty that states you automatically get one.

Given the amount of money dealers make on service work, it surprises me they don't do everything they can to make you want to come back. Portland Land Rover is probably never going to give me a loaner (didn't buy from them), but Seattle Land Rover was great about always trying to accomodate me (didn't buy there either). If they didn't have one of their own LR vehicles, they rented me something to drive.

I guess it is up to the individual "Center" and the service advisor. My guy in Seattle was awesome.
 
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Peter-man99

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"Phillip- I had the vehicle serviced at LR Centerville, UT..."

Hey Ryan, I know one of the service underwriters at Centerville, his name is Sean. I went wheeling with him on my last trip out to Utah. Sean is a good guy, explain to him what happened and show him what you are talking about. He has said LR is a good place to work and if he feels that way (especially since he just bought a j#@p :confused: ) I think they would be willing to help.

As far as the cost goes Sean was telling me that he had to call around to other dealerships to make sure their costs were competitive and fair in the local area. The brake work came out to just under $90 an hour, which if I remember correctly, was their hourly rate. A rip yes, but it is in the range of other dealerships in the area.

Good luck!
 
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Steve83

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Ask them to show you the book where they get their times from - flat rate is flat rate. They can't just charge what they want. If the book says 3.5hrs for 4 rotors (like mine does, but some are different), then that's what they can charge.

The dealer doesn't make much on service because of all the costs of running a shop & sending technicians for training, but that's no reason to rip you off.

The factory warranty doesn't authorize a loaner, so that's strictly up to the service advisor.

The extended warranty money goes to the dealer who sold it to you, which is why any other dealer doesn't like doing that work. But they still have to do the work right & be nice about it.

I'm sure LRNA would be interested in how you were treated, so give 'em a call. In fact, ask the service manager there to let you use his phone to call them. ;)
 

AlaskaRover

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The Dealership in AK blows

I'm not trying to hijack the thread. I just wanted to piss and moan with the rest of you. I've been to a dealership that I wouldn't piss on if it were on fire.

Stepp Brothers' Land Rover Anchorage dealership has everybody up here by the balls. They are the only dealership here and they charge outrageous prices and do awful work. The last time they worked on my rig they left a lot of tools in the floorboard and forgot to reconnect my windshield washer jets.

Here's the worst part. I had to drive my truck 400 miles to Anchorage from Fairbanks to get it worked on. I left it with them FOR TWO WEEKS while I went to the lower 48 to see the family. When I got back to Anchorage they hadn't even touched my truck. They worked on it for half the day and reset the check engine light. I wasn't even a hundred miles up the road before the light came back on. I then drove it back down on Labor Day weekend and left it with them for the day while I walked around town. It turns out that they needed to keep it a week. I had to argue with the owner Mr. Stepp himself to get a rental vehicle for the week. It was a black Saturn station wagon with bad brakes that burned a quart of oil every hundred miles. I paid this out of my pocket under a handshake and word of mouth from the owner of the dealership that I would be reimbursed. This did not happen and finally LRNA did reimburse me after two months.

All of my problems started in October 2002 and didn't get cleared up until October of 2003. They also proceeded to break three windshields during this whole process which they all replaced.

That's my story....and I'll buy Land Rovers until I die.
 

andrewv

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Steve83:

Flat rate isn't flat rate, unless everyone is forced to live by the same book, and only one book. Mitchell differs from Alldata, and every manufacturer uses their own. Assume that I'm at $90/hour and LR is at $105 and hour, parts are the same price. Why would my brake job be $300 less with with OEM pads/rotors? How about a 30/60/90k service?

The dealer starts at $695, and if I go by the book (Mitchell), with parts, fluids, labor, haz fee etc. I come out at $476.53 with tax. I started my business because my 60k service (50k miles ago) cost me over $1,200 as a consumer. I vowed at that time to not only not get jammed again, but to offer a better alternative to other rover owners.

My .02
 

Ryan Graham

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Sorry Ryan, I know this thread is old, but I got lost for awhile. I didn't know you were having problems with Centerville. I get parts from them and they've always been real nice, most know me by name (unfortunately). Of course that is different from the service department, but I haven't heard many complaints about them. I dont have my own personal shop, but I am a technician for Anderson Goodyear in Layton. I would be glad to help you in any way you need. You can email me if you need to: ryangraham@mail.weber.edu