So how come no link to the new Defender in the tech section...

[discostew]

Had they built a poor-man's g-wagon, or something like the new bronco, wouldn't that more or less fit that bill and also be considered a better truck?

Sure. It’s available too. Ford is the company that started the migration away from what you like. They owned JLR for most of that decade. Forgive me for being confused about what and who you guys are mad at.
Companies are building poor man’s SUV’s. They don’t seem very impressive to me. The Tucson is probably cheap enough.

 

[MM3846]

Not really.
First of all, the primary market for LR3/4 was minuscule.
Range Rover Sport outsold L319 by a factor of 2-3 every year from 2005 to 2016.
Compared to that, North America sales of D1 were about 2-3 times those of RRC/P38A, and 2-3 times those of LR3/4.

That tells you all you need to know about the target demographics of Land Rover between mid-90s to now.

Wow, I had to look that up. Surprising. Makes sense though, the market for SUVs was way different when the D1 was around. I remember seeing D2s everywhere when they were new.

 

[pinkytoe69]

Companies are building poor man’s SUV’s. They don’t seem very impressive to me. The Tucson is probably cheap enough.

Not a poor-mans SUV, a poor-mans G.

They already have a fleet of roided-out Tuscons.

Why did they make another roided-out Tucson rather than a $60-80k version of a Gelandewagen?

 

[discostew]

Not a poor-mans SUV, a poor-mans G.

They already have a fleet of roided-out Tuscons.

Why did they make another roided-out Tucson rather than a $60-80k version of a Gelandewagen?

Because they want to make a cheap truck. That’s the only goal. So stuff starts looking shitty cause it would cost 30 cents per vehicle over the course of a production year. Security system? Fuck that if it gets stolen just sell him another one. Safety ? Fuck that that could cost $5 a vehicle. That’s not going to happen. Not when your goal is to make a cheap anything for cheap fucks

 

[ERover82]

I like the old stuff too. But 25 years later we can build a better truck.

Utilitarian design and modern manufacturing and engineering aren't mutually exclusive. When Toyota needed to upgrade the 70 series with modern safety equipment, instead of whining about how difficult it was, they got to work and the result scored much improved ANCAP ratings. The D1 and Defender successors could have been built better and have been designed for those other than dentists' wives. However, since the soy latte business school types had taken over LR they could only envision building yet more variations of Range Rovers.



It appears Chevy recruited some JLR folx to design the new "Blazer"

 

[MM3846]

Utilitarian design and modern manufacturing and engineering aren't mutually exclusive. When Toyota needed to upgrade the 70 series with modern safety equipment, instead of whining about how difficult it was, they got to work and the result scored much improved ANCAP ratings. The D1 and Defender successors could have been built better and have been designed for those other than dentists' wives. However, since the soy latte business school types had taken over LR they could only envision building yet more variations of Range Rovers.

Yup, you only need to look at the Wrangler and new Bronco to know that JLR is making specific design and engineering choices.

 

[AbnMike]

Go drive one. I live in a house built in 1860. People always say "they ddon't build em like they used to". I always say " there's good reason for that"

got you beat! Mine was built in 1780.

And it has issues but it is still here almost two hundred and fifty years later.

I get what you’re saying: there are techniques they used then that we don’t use now for safety reasons (fire blocks anyone?)

but I’d wager there aren’t too many homes being built today that will be here in 250 years, not unless they’re custom and costing a few handfuls of millions.

Also anything new I don’t like is gay.

 

[p m]

but I’d wager there aren’t too many homes being built today that will be here in 250 years, not unless they’re custom and costing a few handfuls of millions.

Funny you should bring it up.
My daughter is an architect, mostly building something large like concert halls or sports venues. Her husband is also an architect - specifically, residential construction - but in the U.K. The houses they build aren't as flashy as new developments state-side, but they tend to stay around for a few hundred years.
Part of that is earthquake safety, part - abundance of timber. I love the myriad of design solutions afforded by using steel and concrete, but - yes, it is custom and it'll cost a few handful of millions.

 

[discostew]

got you beat! Mine was built in 1780.

And it has issues but it is still here almost two hundred and fifty years later.

I think your old hose is still standing because over the years the owner sucked it up and spent the money to maintain it. I bought my house 25 years ago and have at least doubled the original purchase price with renovations and repairs. And repairs I found out I needed to make while doing renovations. I would hate to move and have to start that whole process again. I trust my old house.

 

[ukoffroad]

Several at the Wintergreen ROAV event last week.

 

[rover rob]

Several at the Wintergreen ROAV event last week.
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isnt- that lucky 8s defender ?

 

[ukoffroad]

I think so, I was not there. They have a couple, 90 and 110 I think?

 

[rovercanus]

Several at the Wintergreen ROAV event last week.
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Angry eyes and LED light bars. Yay.

 

[Maximumwarp]

That looks like one of their Trek trucks that they built for JLR, but not their shop truck.

 

[ukoffroad]

Angry eyes and LED light bars. Yay.

I think the eyes have to do with the angle. Not a fan of light bars myself, unless you are the lead vehicle at night they are not much use.

 

[ukoffroad]

That looks like one of their Trek trucks that they built for JLR, but not their shop truck.

It is not their shop truck, not sure if they ended up with a Trek to keep, I think so?

 

[JackW]

The 110 easily did all of the trails at Uwharrie in the 110 except for the big hill on Daniel. It was interesting to compare how it did to my Tdi powered D90 on the same trails. Its definitely a big bus compared to the 90 - wider and much bigger - but the turning circle is pretty good and the traction control is darn good. It needs better tires though. The 4 cylinder has lower gearing in the differentials than the six and performs really well in low range.

I prefer the D90 for trails like this - just second gear low range and puttering about - the 110 took more effort to drive since I didn't want to ding the daily transportation. I can see where I'd take the bigger truck on long rides like the BDR routes out west for the extra carrying capacity and ride comfort

 

[Blueboy]

The 110 easily did all of the trails at Uwharrie in the 110 except for the big hill on Daniel. It was interesting to compare how it did to my Tdi powered D90 on the same trails. Its definitely a big bus compared to the 90 - wider and much bigger - but the turning circle is pretty good and the traction control is darn good. It needs better tires though. The 4 cylinder has lower gearing in the differentials than the six and performs really well in low range.

I prefer the D90 for trails like this - just second gear low range and puttering about - the 110 took more effort to drive since I didn't want to ding the daily transportation. I can see where I'd take the bigger truck on long rides like the BDR routes out west for the extra carrying capacity and ride comfort

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Great seeing your 110 out and about.