Students suspended for wearing American Flag T-shirts

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WTF - did I wake up in Mexico today...............:banghead:



Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag . But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.
Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.
"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."
The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.
"They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.
The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."
"I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."
But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.
"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."
As for an apology, the boys and their families say, "fat chance."
"I'm not going to apologize. I did nothing wrong," Galli said. "I went along with my normal day. I might have worn an American flag, but I'm an American and I'm proud to be an American."
The five boys and their families met with a Morgan Hill Unified School District official Wednesday night. The district released a statement saying it does not agree with how Live Oak High School administrators handled this incident.
The boys will not be suspended and they were told they can go back to school Thursday. They may even wear their red, white, and blue colors again, but this time, the day after Cinco de Mayo, there will be no controversy.
 

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Oh, but we have to be sensitive to the Mexicans.

FUCK THAT. I am so sick of this bullshit. And they wonder why people are lining up against them.
 

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stu454 said:
Oh, but we have to be sensitive to the Mexicans.

FUCK THAT. I am so sick of this bullshit. And they wonder why people are lining up against them.

thats right, you better be sensitive to them......

who the hell do you think is going to clean up our beaches after this oil spill
 

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I love Mexico, really. And I know enough Mexican/Latino families and people to tell you that the bad-name many people try to give the 'Mexicans' is basically just insecurity and bigotry.

But... this isn't Mexico. This is America. Yesterday, I saw more Happy Cinco De Mayo announcements on Facebook, and in the news, and around school than I ever remember seeing simple American flags waving on the 4th of July.

If Freedom of Speech does not include wearing an American Flag t-shirt, well, one side of that argument is very profoundly mistaken about the definition of Freedom of Speech, and what it's even for.

Speech doesn't need protecting if it's P/C, polite, or nice. Speech only needs protecting if it ruffles some feathers, makes people uncomfortable, gets people to think, or even if it is offensive.
 

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RBBailey said:
But... this isn't Mexico. This is America. Yesterday, I saw more Happy Cinco De Mayo announcements on Facebook, and in the news, and around school than I ever remember seeing simple American flags waving on the 4th of July.
I think this is because you're more likely to notice the Cinco de Mayo stuff since it is "foreign" to America. I see American flag patriotism every day but I'm more likely to put it in the back of my mind since it is normal and common place. When's the last time you saw a jacked up 80's ford pickup with a dining-room-table-sized flag flying from a flag pole in the bed? You live in Portland, so it couldn't possibly have been that long ago. These kind of things get filed under "forgetable" in my mind. Looking for Mexican patriotism on May 5th is actively seeking to put these displays in the front of your mind.


RBBailey said:
Speech doesn't need protecting if it's P/C, polite, or nice. Speech only needs protecting if it ruffles some feathers, makes people uncomfortable, gets people to think, or even if it is offensive.
And on this note I would like your opinion on what you think the motives of these kids was. Were they all simply wearing american flag apparel because they are patriotic americans, or were they wearing it on that specific day to elicit a response, stir feathers, and otherwise piss people off? You're a teacher, right? Surely you know teenagers motives are rarely pure.
 

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If it was one kid with an American Flag shirt I would think it was wrong to ask him to remove it. Since it was a group of friends, I think they were trying to push some buttons, especially in a high school with a large number of latino/mexican students.

Now, with that being said: Nobody should be asked to remove an appropriate American Flag hat, shirt, shorts or pants. We're not celebrating Cinco De Mayo to honor Mexican heritage (or the Mexicans win over the French), we're celebrating it to drink beer and tequila. It's a bigger celebration in the US than it is in Mexico.

Last year an article in the news said some people in Mexico didn't even know the significance of the day, and most if not all of the partiers in the bar they checked even knew what happened on May 5, 1862. Most said it was Mexican Independence day (from Spain). That's Sept 15th.
 

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wonder if that is the whole story, or were they disrupting the whole day. I know that would not happen here where I teach unless they were making an ass of themselves.
 

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At the PUBLIC school where my mom teaches they have a very strict dress code. Some of it I really disagree with, but apparently it is becoming the norm in public schools around here...
 

stu454

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So a group of Americans wearing clothes with the American flag on them is incendiary??

Even if they sat down and said, 'Fuck the Mexicans; let's all wear the flag' it is obscene to argue that displaying the American flag in the United States is somehow wrong.
 

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Mongo, your rights only exist when they don't interfere with the feelings of a minority group.

The first amendment according to a liberal:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion unless it is Christian, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech unless it offends a minority, or of the press unless it is Fox News or a conservative radio host; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble unless those people disagree with a liberal administration, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
 

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Some Dude said:
And on this note I would like your opinion on what you think the motives of these kids was. Were they all simply wearing american flag apparel because they are patriotic americans, or were they wearing it on that specific day to elicit a response, stir feathers, and otherwise piss people off? You're a teacher, right? Surely you know teenagers motives are rarely pure.
Okay, teenagers' motive was pretty clear - to annoy students who identify themselves as Mexicans.
So what?

Besides obvious issues with wearing apparel with American insignia (rather, not allowing such on public property), there is nothing wrong with pissing people off. That is what most often ends up in trouble, but this is what often gets things done.

I wonder if the kids in this school had to say their Pledge of Allegiance on 05/05...
 

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No shit Mike...I am so sick of political correctness it's not even funny...if you don't like having to live by the rules, fucking leave the US. All these morons saying we have to respect the "feelings" and "sensitivity" of all the "guest" in our country, please go to another one and see what happens when
you don't have "your papers" or are spit on for wearing anything
that shows your from the US. Fuck 'em don't like it, leave
 
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Ballah06

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Here is a thought, what would the same vice principal or whoever say to a bunch of Mexican kids wearing a Mexican flag t-shirt to school on July 4th? Pretty sure absolutely nothing.
 

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Ballah06 said:
Here is a thought, what would the same vice principal or whoever say to a bunch of Mexican kids wearing a Mexican flag t-shirt to school on July 4th? Pretty sure absolutely nothing.
There lays the beauty in that. No school on July 4th, so we'll never know.:patriot:
 

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Mongo said:
No shit Mike...I am so sick of political correctness it's not even funny...if you don't like having to live by the rules, fucking leave the US. All these morons saying we have to respect the "feelings" and "sensitivity" of all the "guest" in our country, please go to another one and see what happens when
you don't have "your papers" or are spit on for wearing anything
that shows your from the US. Fuck 'em don't like it, leave

Are you catching all the crap that is bubbling out of Sharpton's mouth here in Phoenix? I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I hear him (try to) speak. To think that he and Jesse Jackson purport to represent the black population....
 

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School = prison. The Constitution does not apply. I learned that as a student, and as a result, spent as little time as possible there, did as little as possible to get the fuck out, and then went to college where I actually learned something.