Stupid, very stupid.

[Axel]

And how much has been (literally) lost in translation? Do you speak a foreign language? If so, then surely you must realize translations are seldom literal.

1)Stories are passed down verbally for generations.
2)Somebody finally begins writing them down (as they remember, of course. Chinese telephone?)
3)These written stories are later found and translated, and translated, and translated, and translated...

How many languages has the word of God been passed along as before now?
Hebrew? Greek? Latin? Aramaic? Koine Greek? Hoch Deutsch?

And then, from English, how many translations? As of 2005, it is reported that AT LEAST one book of the Bible has been translated into 2,400 of the 6,900 languages recognized by SIL International including 680 languages in Africa, followed by 590 in Asia, 420 in Oceania, 420 in Latin America and the Caribbean, 210 in Europe, and 75 in North America.

And this is to be taken literally? :banghead:

Doesn't matter. You can not apply logic to religion, because it all about belief. It's a leap of faith. Either you believe, or you don't. Logic does not apply.

 

[Over Boost]

And how much has been (literally) lost in translation? Do you speak a foreign language? If so, then surely you must realize translations are seldom literal.

1)Stories are passed down verbally for generations.
2)Somebody finally begins writing them down (as they remember, of course. Chinese telephone?)
3)These written stories are later found and translated, and translated, and translated, and translated...

How many languages has the word of God been passed along as before now?
Hebrew? Greek? Latin? Aramaic? Koine Greek? Hoch Deutsch?

And then, from English, how many translations? As of 2005, it is reported that AT LEAST one book of the Bible has been translated into 2,400 of the 6,900 languages recognized by SIL International including 680 languages in Africa, followed by 590 in Asia, 420 in Oceania, 420 in Latin America and the Caribbean, 210 in Europe, and 75 in North America.

And this is to be taken literally? :banghead:

You bring up a good point, but its not like they cant compare modern translations to earlier ones. I think if there were serious inconsistencies someone would be having a field day with it.

 

[mountenn]

...someone would be having a field day with it.

Seems to me that the majority of Christians are doing just that! :bow:

 

[Over Boost]

Seems to me that the majority of Christians are doing just that! :bow:

:smilelol: true

 

[snosrfr]

wow, not to be offensive but... OB and Axel, you gave good insight - don't piss in another's cheerios just to piss...

live and let live
to each their own
if it works for you...
beats being a dick to society (that was mine)

-snosrfr

 

[mountenn]

Doesn't matter. You can not apply logic to religion, because it all about belief. It's a leap of faith. Either you believe, or you don't. Logic does not apply.

But how do you come about knowing what you believe? It's in the song, man: "For the BIBLE tells me so!"

If your beliefs are based on the Bible, and the translations are off, then what you are really believing in could potentially all be misquotes. And for that matter, what if it were only one or two misquotes? BUT, what if those one or two were some of the biggies? Commandments, anyone?

Also, please remember that the original text was only documentation of someone's RECOLLECTIONS in the first place.

 

[gmookher]

These guys have never heard of Procrit?

 

[mountenn]

Somebody refusing to undergo a relativly painless medical procedure that has the potential to add years to their life ranks as pretty stupid to me, just like allowing your teeth to fall out because you don't like the dentist, or basing your whole life on somebody else's interperatation or a book, that's been changed to suit the reigning power's beliefs and political goals throughout the century seems pretty stupid to me, and my choice to not go to church and live by the teachings of some book that may or may not have been handed down by a diety would seem stupid to you.

Did you know that the Holy Trinity was MADE UP by King James? Any previous version lists three separate entities...King James liked the way the Trinity sounded, that's all...:bs:

 

[mountenn]

These guys have never heard of Procrit?

Ahh, yes, good ol' epoetin alfa...yummy.

 

[Axel]

But how do you come about knowing what you believe? It's in the song, man: "For the BIBLE tells me so!"

If your beliefs are based on the Bible, and the translations are off, then what you are really believing in could potentially all be misquotes. And for that matter, what if it were only one or two misquotes? BUT, what if those one or two were some of the biggies? Commandments, anyone?

Also, please remember that the original text was only documentation of someone's RECOLLECTIONS in the first place.

Now you are trying to apply logic again. It won't fly. Beliefs are just that, beliefs. A leap of faith. That's why you can never win this argument with a truly religious person, regardless of which religion he or she belongs to.

Personally, I consider myself to be a logical person, so I want to see proof. I have not seen any proof that will convince me that some supreme being exist. I have not seen conclusive proof that a supreme being does not exist either, so there you go. I guess I'll find out when the day comes. I'm fairly pragmatic about that as well. if there is an afterlife, fine. If there isn't, well - then that's not really a problem either, is it? Once the switch is flipped, that's it, and we won't know any better.

I suppose that is really what religion is based on. It is hard to accept the finality of death, the concept that once you are gone there is nothing more. It's so much more pleasant to belive that there is something more after this life, isn't it? I don't know if there is or isn't, but I am in no rush to find out.

 

[jlessard]

Now you are trying to apply logic again. It won't fly. Beliefs are just that, beliefs. A leap of faith. That's why you can never win this argument with a truly religious person, regardless of which religion he or she belongs to.

To start with I'm defining logic as..
"The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning."

I have to partially disagree. I think the problem with most religious people is a lack of logic. Most religious people I see take an edited, translated, reformatted, retranslated line out of a sentence that was pulled out from a paragraph, interpret it 100% literally and build a belief system on it. That does take quite a leap of faith...


On the other hand I see some very well though out lines of logical reasoning for certain beliefs. Christian apologetics like CS Lewis have made some very compelling arguments based on lines of deductive reasoning. A lot of people may not agree with these reasonings, but that does not mean they are not a valid logical argument.

I suppose that is really what religion is based on. It is hard to accept the finality of death, the concept that once you are gone there is nothing more. It's so much more pleasant to belief that there is something more after this life, isn't it? I don't know if there is or isn't, but I am in no rush to find out.

I think most religions are based on the existence of good, rather then the inevitability of death. For instance in the Bible there were 2 Jewish sects Pharisees and Sadducee's. If I remember correctly they were quite divided on the subject of the afterlife Sadducee's believing that there is no afterlife. Although, the afterlife is extremely emphasized as a major selling point in recruiting.




Beware the man of one book.
-Thomas Aquinas.

 

[mountenn]

I have to partially disagree. I think the problem with most religious people is a lack of logic. Most religious people I see take an edited, translated, reformatted, retranslated line out of a sentence that was pulled out from a paragraph, interpret it 100% literally and build a belief system on it. That does take quite a leap of faith...

Beware the man of one book.
-Thomas Aquinas.

:thanks: Well spoken.