Suspension/build question(s)

jstills

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Build a series on a range rover frame or build a frame from scratch?

My 2 thoughts:

1. Cut up a 87 range rover and place the series body on its frame

2. Build a sprung over frame from scratch and put the series body on it

Anyone wish to share their thoughts and opinions on this? It would be much appreciated. Pro's? Cons?

-Jay
 

LR Max

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Werd on the 90 frame. A RRC frame will require a lot of work to make it just right.

I would recommend getting a whole rolling chassis with drivetrain.
 

Gordo

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Either way you are cutting the frame if you want to get the wheels in the fender well, although the 90 frame would be easier than the RRC as it has the rear crossmember and front bumper already fitted. I just built a 73 Series on an 89 RRC frame. It isnt cheap and it isnt easy but if you are mechanical and can fab/weld (or teach yourself like I did) it really isnt all that complicated. The chassis rails on the RRC as the same width as the series so the aftermarket outriggers and crossmember can be grafted in. Its a labor of love for sure, but each and every one is unique. For some detailed photos go to http://www.floridalandroverclub.com/photo_album/thumbnails.php?album=44
 

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LR Max

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Is it assumed that your current frame is dead? If your current frame is still good then doing a custom four link rear and three link with trackbar will be cheap, ride like a dream, handle awesome and flex like a banshee off road.
 

jstills

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LRMAX, when you speak about my current frame and doing the 3 link and 4 link are you refering to me using the series frame or a range rover frame? Might be a pipe dream but I been seriously considering, chopping up the range rover, stretching its frame to 103" wheelbase, throwing some dana 44's or dana 60's and putting the series body on it. My cousin said I'm crazy and we should just get some steel rectangle tubing and build a frame from scratch-103"s, sprung over on dana 44's or 60's!
 

jstills

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LRMAX

Forgot to mention I'm selling some series parts on the parts board and one of the things I'm selling is a frame I bought 2-3 years back from this guy russel in CT. It's all stock except for the engine mounts which are v8 and its setup for power steering. I thought about using this frame and putting the dana's under it, building a spring over suspension or 3 link/4 link etc..........

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Gordo

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Shit for that matter just leave the RRC/D1 frame at 100 inch and build something like Sams Strange Rover. Of course the portals would cost alot but you could use the danas instead. A 90 front breakfast and hood might help the V8 fit. I never even moved my motor, trans, and axles. The 90 rad fits in the factory holes and plenty of room for the vicious fan. Gordo
 

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LR Max

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100" builds are cool. However it is definately a significant pain in the rear.

I'd say take that chassis you bought, clean all the current brackets off of it and build up from there. I'd say go ahead with a full custom suspension because any RRC suspension will require a lot of work since its worn out. Might as well go ahead with links and coils. You can pick up a set of coils from a junkyard for about 50 bucks (look under a couple SUVs and find some that look close enough). Then get some shocks from procomp and your good to go.
 

Gordo

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Just curious to what the major drawback is to building a 100 inch. No doubt my 89 Hybrid was a pain but it would seem easier than chopping and shortening the chassis. If you wanted to actually fit the tires in the wheelwell then I agree, but chopping out the fenders and slapping a series body on a RRC chassis doesnt seem that bad. If I build another one I might consider that myself. Talk about good approach and departure angles! Gordo
 

jstills

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RE: LR MAX

1st I would like to say thank you to you and everyone else who has offered up their opinions on this topic!

Anyways, so you think I should use the stock series land rover frame I have and build off that or build off the range rover frame? My cousin and a few close friends all drive CJ-7's and FJ-40's with sprung over leaf spring suspension and they are telling me I should build a frame from scratch or use the stock series frame and build off it, run sprung over leaf spring suspension. Bottom line is I want a very flexy suspension and a longer wheelbase-103" is the wheelbase Im going to shoot for regardless of which frame I use. Im really so confused and cannot decide which route to go! ARGH!!!!!!! Somebody help me make sense of this!!!!!!!!

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jstills

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Sorry forgot to put this in my last post. Go coil sprung suspension? 3 Link? 4 Link? or good old sprung over leaf spring suspension?

Sorry for being such a pain in the ass about this. I just want to do it right the first time!!!!!
 

apg

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LR Max said:
Werd on the 90 frame. A RRC frame will require a lot of work to make it just right.

Indeed. First person that I know of to build a "strange rover" was Dave Schworm circa 1994. Chopped a 100" RR frame down to make it fit under a IIa body. As service manager at Land Rover North America, he had all the assets of their complete shop in Lanham and it *still* was a time-consuming pain, especially trying to keep the 'look' of the IIa (such as the fuel fill location, but pipe it to the RR's gas tank....)
 

LR Max

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Its really up to you what you want to do.

Leafs can be cheap and easy. If you do a spring over it is so easy to cut corners and end up with a crappy setup. Just like anything else, if you do it right it'll perform well. Chevy flat springs are commonly used and will perform very well. You'll probably need a rear traction bar and definitely extend your brake lines. Steering will also need to be addressed. A longer drag link and dropped pitman arm are needed to prevent severe bumpsteer.

If you cut corners here, it'll cost you in the long run. I've seen people use crappy leaf springs and within a month those springs are junk. No good. Also short brake lines easily rip out. No traction bar will wear out your passenger rear spring in a month, causing that corner of the vehicle to sag.

The main reason I say stick with the current Rover frame is because then you don't have to figure out how to weld all the tabs for engine mounts, body mounts, etc on it. They are already there! The rover frame really does lend itself to a link suspension coversion very easily.

Also using links will allow you to retain an excellent approach and departure angle. Having leaf hangers out front can be a pain.

Linked suspensions are going to be more expensive. I'll tell you that right now. But they will perform better and ride better than leafs. I see it all the time. I say go 4 link rear because it is strong and moves freely. A 3 link front will allow it to move freely and the track bar, if the proper length will prevent any bumpsteer from occurring. 3 link front and 4 link rear is what I see most of the time and it works.

Whatever you decide to do, do LOTS of homework first. Going out and doing a suspension is not easy nor a quick job. Having people around who know what they are doing will make it go smoother as well.
 

Gordo

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If your dead set on a 103 frame plan on TONS of fab. If it were me and I had a good frame I'd use that one and figure out what suspension I wanted. You could use the coil stuff from the donor Rangie and just weld it to the series chassis, sorta like a dynachassis. the only advice I can give you is too keep it simple. Dont get too carried away with it. That is why I suggested trying to put the series body right onto a RRC rolling chassis. That would only be 100 inch though and you would probably end up moving the motor back or the front of the body forward a bit anyway to fit the rad. The front and rear tires are going to stick out past the front and rear too. heres another pic of the "strange rover" which is a series on a 100 inch chassis and another 100 inch (I believe anyway) special that has a custom rear tub (cool idea). You could also shorten a 109 pick up tub/hard top if needed, but that is what LR MAX warned you about! If you can tig, it is an option though. Gordo
 

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jstills

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  1. So am I crazy for trying to put a set of full width axles dana 44's or dana 60's and a coil spring suspension 3 or 4 link using the stock 88" series-iia frame? I intend to build off the stock frame I have because it is in perfect condition with no rust or rot and it is already setup for a v8 and power steering, I purchased it this way from the previous owner. I was thinking of reinforcing the frame like most do to toyotas or jeeps of course. Has anyone done such a project? Can't seem to find anyone who has done so online.
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Gordo

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try pirate4x4 and search as plenty of those guys have done major conversions as you suggest. My advice is to keep it simple. Its amazing how much time you can put into a build but hey if you got the itch scratch it and keep some photos coming, sounds like a major project to me. Gordo
 

Mongo

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jstills said:
  1. So am I crazy for trying to put a set of full width axles dana 44's or dana 60's and a coil spring suspension 3 or 4 link using the stock 88" series-iia frame? I intend to build off the stock frame I have because it is in perfect condition with no rust or rot and it is already setup for a v8 and power steering, I purchased it this way from the previous owner. I was thinking of reinforcing the frame like most do to toyotas or jeeps of course. Has anyone done such a project? Can't seem to find anyone who has done so online.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

do a search over on pirate, it's been done and you should find some good examples...I would just go with the 60's cut to fit, 44's aren't really any better than the rover stuff
 

ESnyder

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Kind of a side comment/question, but I've often wondered about putting a series 88 body on an FJ40 rolling chassis... Never looked into it. If it was one that had a good SOA set up it would be pretty nice. Best of both worlds.
 

Yorker

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ESnyder said:
Kind of a side comment/question, but I've often wondered about putting a series 88 body on an FJ40 rolling chassis... Never looked into it. If it was one that had a good SOA set up it would be pretty nice. Best of both worlds.

It has been done- there was one in Canada for sale for a long time. The FJ-40 chassis seems to flex a LOT moore than the series chassis does and the Series body doesn't seem to like that much flexing. Something to think about.

As for a Series body on a 100 RRC chassis:
http://www.a-4x4-is-born.com/

I bought that video last fall-they did a pretty nice job on the project. But then you are still stuck with Rover axles &c...