The best front bumper/Bull Bar

jhmover

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From personal real world experience I had an ARB on my old D2. Even with the OME HD springs and taller tires, it dragged a lot, usually on much of nothing (like going to dips in the desert or up mild inclines). so to my way of thinking, unless all you do is drive on fire roads and the street or have a 10 inch lift, it doesn't take much to drag one and you don't have to be doing any serious rock crawling either. IMHO, the bars on one are more for ascetics than being of any real use. If you hit anything that's substantial at speed, they'll just fold up into the hood and grill and take the front end out. They do crumple in a major collision (I had the ARB on the D2 when I got in a head on at combined closing speed of about 60-70 MPH). The bars folded back into the body then. The nice crumple also took out the winch (it looked like someone blew it up). Considering the damage done to my D2 (frame bent, dashboard pushed back a few inches, etc), I'd seriously doubt the mild amount of crumple they have is any real saving grace for much more than a 10 mile per hour collision at the mall.

So, for my D1, I just bought a RTE slimline (no light bar, no brush bars). I like the look (no gigantic appendage hanging out in front, no bars), it's real clean looking. I also like having the winch up higher. I just measured and drilled proper holes for my driving lights, mounted on the top flat surface on each side of the winch, which also looks clean. The RTE is built like a tank. Like someone else said (not my thought but I agree) one of these and you use the other vehicle for a crumple zone, not to mention if you whack something on the trail it most likely isn't going to do more than scrape some paint off.

Now mind you I'm not nearly as hardcore of a wheeler as some of the people on here, yet even with my mild to somewhat difficult wheeling, I find the RTE vastly superior. Since I'm a form follows function type of person I didn't even consider buying an ARB this time because I knew in advance I'd be unhappy with everything but the looks.

Just my 2 cents worth. (let the flaming begin!)
 
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ajh

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Well, I do both, and like that the ARB doesn't sacrifice the fog lights on the 03/04. I am however as I mentioned modifying it to fix the issues people keep mentioning, wonder if there's a business in that :)
 

jhmover

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I thought about doing that with the one on the D2, frankly for all the work and screwing around it's easier just to buy a RTE one.
 

Ash

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traxlerd said:
I will be ordering an RTE in the next 6 mo. I will get the standard but have them make the blade 150% to 200% thicker/taller. To spread front impact just a bit more. And to make sure the front end doesnt look so anemic.

A winch and the right lights definitely fills out the front end...I can't imagine making the bumper taller would help in the looks department. Plus, a regular sized RTE takes an impact just fine...see my recent thread about how my bumper held up in a ~20mph collision.
 
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SafariDisco

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rmuller said:
Here's one... How many people switch from ARB/TJM to RoverTym? Then, how many people go from RoverTym to a ARB? Anyone?
But you will get a skewed outcome based on your audience, ask on other web sites based on expedition travel and your numbers might be very different. That would be like MADD going into a bar and conducting a study on if you should stop drinking, be a little differnt than if they went to a library?

Again it comes down to...

Rocks

Chicks

Dirt Roads

you pick it is your money, I could really care less! :rofl:
 

JefeDisco96

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I fully acknowledge the RTE bumper is top notch, but does anyone know if they'll make it to appear more like the safari gard. I don't care for the straight cut line on the lower part of the bumper....atleast on the DIs.
 

leeawalden

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JefeDisco96 said:
I fully acknowledge the RTE bumper is top notch, but does anyone know if they'll make it to appear more like the safari gard. I don't care for the straight cut line on the lower part of the bumper....atleast on the DIs.


check out this thread...he will pretty much make it look however you want. This looks about as close as you can get to a SG, but probably stronger.

http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39594&referrerid=2110
 

ozscott

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In Australia we have many many Discos and Defenders with bars. At a guess 25% would be rover brush bars and the remainder are ONLY TJM and ARB and a custom alloy mob, but they are only a very small percentage. TJM and ARB are probably evenly split and make up the vast majority. I have the TJM which I think is much much better looking and with a better approach angle than the ARB.

Interesting discussion about kangaroos. Out west the red males stand 6 foot and weigh a bomb - they are serious solid muscle and it feels like hitting rock covered with felt.

There are different schools of thought about crumple zones, deceleration etc, but if your vehicle has air bags which save more lives and serious injuries (such as complete facial fractures - ie Le Forte IIIs where your jaw and nose etc is hanging on by the skin only) than any other invention since the seat belt, then you need an airbag compatable bar. TJM and ARB design theirs to Australian Standards and they are crash tested to ensure the air bags deploy as designed - ie at the right time. I reckon your asking for no airbag protection if you stick a bar direct to the chassis rails as opposed to the crumple cans. The crumple cans that come off are very weak in terms of torsional strength compared to the brackets that go on for the TJM at least and whilst they would deform at the same rate in an impact its nice to see. Overall though you cannot make a bar avoid twist on major impact down onto rock etc when its held on by crush brackets only.

I would rather just avoid trails that are so extreme that they damage the bar - unless I was using a non-daily driver and then I would probably disconect the air bags.

It can all get a bit silly. If you watch the Outback Challenge in Australia you see some amazing modifications and massive lifts with drop boxes etc, but at the end of the day its all about degree. I love my TJM on my D2 and the trails I can do with 275/7016s and no lift....and that would suit a lot of you, but it wouldnt suit those that want to go fully hardcore offroading. But to those who want a very good compromise off road, good looks and maintaining the crash protection of air bags and pre-tensioner you cannot beat the TJM in my opinion. I also reckon that the TJM and ARB must provide a measure of protection that wouldnt be there in a naked vehicle. It would at least tend to provide a uniform crumple accross the front and involve both chassis rails, compared to one, in an offset collission.

The fact that the fella above got out of his Disco in a combined speed impact of 100-120 kilometres per hour means somthing - lets face it, thats an insane impact.

Cheers
 

gahill2

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nathansharkey said:
I am probably going to go with the RTE. Thanks folks.

Nathan

Good choice....I wish I would have went with RTE to begin with on my truck. It has one now and I couldn't be more happy.:D
 

jrsimpson

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ozscott said:
Interesting discussion about kangaroos. Out west the red males stand 6 foot and weigh a bomb - they are serious solid muscle and it feels like hitting rock covered with felt.
On matters relating to flora and fauna indigenous to OZ, especially roos and Sheilas, I defer to your expertise. :)

ozscott said:
There are different schools of thought about crumple zones, deceleration etc, but if your vehicle has air bags ... then you need an airbag compatable bar. ... I reckon your asking for no airbag protection if you stick a bar direct to the chassis rails as opposed to the crumple cans.

Ask yourself about the type and location of sensor used to deploy the airbags. The answer should reveal your misconception.

Cheers, Jeff
 

ozscott

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Cheers Jeff - its a decelerometre and it is (at least on my D1 - never looked on my D2 ) is located back from the crush cans - the crush cans however play an important role in controlling the rate of deformation and therefore deceleration - and its the deceleration thats important for air bag deployment timing.

Cheers
 

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ozscott said:
Cheers Jeff - its a decelerometre and it is (at least on my D1 - never looked on my D2 ) is located back from the crush cans - the crush cans however play an important role in controlling the rate of deformation and therefore deceleration - and its the deceleration thats important for air bag deployment timing.

Cheers
It's been discussed at tremendous lengths in the past on DW.
Without the crush cans, the airbags will deploy at slower speed than they would normally. To the tune of ~32-35mph vs 38-40mph for a frontal impact.