Timing Chain Class Action

[StangGT5]

I am not sure if the court has approved this settlement but, according to the documents attached by Blue, vehicles in service over 8 years old OR that had been driven more than 100K when first diagnosed with chain/tensioner failure are not eligible for this class. Unless I am reading this wrong, 2013s that have not been diagnosed with chain failure by the end of 2022 are SOL.

Maybe JLRNA will be generous enough to cover a broader scope. Press X to doubt.

 

[discostew]

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I have one now that has 108,000 miles on it. The right bank has the cam crank corrolation faults, the left bank has misfires down the whole bank. The supercharger nosecone is broken internally so it's loud as hell. With all parts and labor it's about a $12,000 job in the dealership. The starter nosecone is about 900 the left bank misfires are 1 injector stuck open,. the timing skipped a cople teeth on the intake cam.
So she's about $12,000 away from owning a $6,000 truck. I think she thaught the same thing your thinking. Go ahead and authorize teardown cause JLR is paying. Wrong, now it's a basket case and she's not fixing it.

 

[ERover82]

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I have one now that has 108,000 miles on it. The right bank has the cam crank corrolation faults, the left bank has misfires down the whole bank. The supercharger nosecone is broken internally so it's loud as hell. With all parts and labor it's about a $12,000 job in the dealership. The starter nosecone is about 900 the left bank misfires are 1 injector stuck open,. the timing skipped a cople teeth on the intake cam.
So she's about $12,000 away from owning a $6,000 truck. I think she thaught the same thing your thinking. Go ahead and authorize teardown cause JLR is paying. Wrong, now it's a basket case and she's not fixing it.

I must be missing something. Did the timing chain issue or a previous botched repair lead to it being a basket case?

 

[pinkytoe69]

I must be missing something.

I feel the same in that a supercharged 5.0 truck with only 110k must be worth more than $6k if repaired?

 

[discostew]

I call a basket case a vehicle that is in pieces in boxes. Disassembled and not put back together.

 

[discostew]

I feel the same in that a supercharged 5.0 truck with only 110k must be worth more than $6k if repaired?

Your probably right. It’s a special addition 12 Sport. I have no idea what these vehicles are worth. I’ll ask my guy to put a # on that truck if it was running.

 

[ERover82]

Would it be easier and cheaper to throw a used engine in it?

 

[discostew]

I don’t think so. I like doing engine work like this right there in the car. A used engine is a crapshoot. This car got expensive cause the supercharger nose cone. I’m not sure what the guy did with overlapping labor times. It sounds a little high to me. The injector isn’t cheap either but there should be no extra labor in that.
I had to get involved because it had misfires on the opposite bank of the timing chain failure. So guy gets kind of confused by that and rightfully came and got me.
Customer pay on a supercharged car I charge 24 hours. Natural aspirated I try to get close to 20 hours. But that’s replacing the chains. You can get the tensioner blade and tensioner in there with the hacking method described above for a lot cheaper. But once it’s past the noisy stage and you have cam timing faults it’s gotta be totally taken apart

 

[pinkytoe69]

Your probably right. It’s a special addition 12 Sport. I have no idea what these vehicles are worth. I’ll ask my guy to put a # on that truck if it was running.

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/ctd/d/minneapolis-2010-land-rover-range-rover/7450656357.html

2010 with 90k is probably close to 2012 with 110k...worth more than the 12k it costs to fix at least

 

[discostew]

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/ctd/d/minneapolis-2010-land-rover-range-rover/7450656357.html

2010 with 90k is probably close to 2012 with 110k...worth more than the 12k it costs to fix at least

Those look like stock photos. I’ve looked at so many of these 2010’s that look like shit when you’re standing next to them. In my mind they just aren’t worth that much. But that Honda dealer is using stock photos cause that vehicle looks like shit

 

[roverover]

Are there people out there that would really take their car to the dealer for mechanical repair?

All my best purchases have been from cars at the dealership that have minor issues like this with major quotes from the dealer because they have no interest in fixing them. I would bet that the next person you spoke with after the service manager was a sales rep

 

[discostew]

Are there people out there that would really take their car to the dealer for mechanical repair?

All my best purchases have been from cars at the dealership that have minor issues like this with major quotes from the dealer because they have no interest in fixing them. I would bet that the next person you spoke with after the service manager was a sales rep

It’s amazing what people bring in to the dealership. Nobody can really fix this shit, so it all ends up here eventually. Usually after someone else makes it worse by trying to fix it.
You call this a minor repair?

 

[discostew]

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/ctd/d/minneapolis-2010-land-rover-range-rover/7450656357.html

2010 with 90k is probably close to 2012 with 110k...worth more than the 12k it costs to fix at least

My guy said this is a 15 to 19 truck if all the brakes, tires, suspension was all good.

 

[roverover]

It’s amazing what people bring in to the dealership. Nobody can really fix this shit, so it all ends up here eventually. Usually after someone else makes it worse by trying to fix it.
You call this a minor repair?

Yes, sounds like it skipped timing so as long as it didn't damage any valve guides it should just need the heads rebuilt, tensioner upgrade and supercharger coupler. These had issues with valve keepers slipping so this is preventative maintenance. I understand it is almost half the value of the car but tore apart its worth very little and fixed properly it should last for years

 

[discostew]

Yes, sounds like it skipped timing so as long as it didn't damage any valve guides it should just need the heads rebuilt, tensioner upgrade and supercharger coupler. These had issues with valve keepers slipping so this is preventative maintenance. I understand it is almost half the value of the car but tore apart its worth very little and fixed properly it should last for years

I don't think the heads need to come off this one. Cylinder leak down shows no sign of damage. Why Valve guides? I was not aware of valve keepers going anyplace. Maybe when a valve hits a piston the keepers would come out.

 

[roverover]

I don't think the heads need to come off this one. Cylinder leak down shows no sign of damage. Why Valve guides? I was not aware of valve keepers going anyplace. Maybe when a valve hits a piston the keepers would come out.

The keepers work their way down the valve eventually causing a misfire, not common but happens.
Valve guides aren't available from Rover
If it just needs front end and SC coupler it's only $5k retail buy it from her only $1000 in parts

 

[discostew]

The keepers work their way down the valve eventually causing a misfire, not common but happens.
Valve guides aren't available from Rover
If it just needs front end and SC coupler it's only $5k retail buy it from her only $1000 in parts

Is there a document that spells that out? I've not heard of that. How could the keeper move down the shaft without just dropping the valve? What about in another thread you said all the headbolts should have been replaced with the larger bolts. The only thing I've ever done is th thread repair for the smaller bolts, but I was told if it happens with the bigger bolts the engine is junk. How does this bigger headbolt fit into the head? And what are you supposed to do for the threads in the block? You drill them bigger to accept the thread sert, but that thread sert is for the smaller diameter bolt.

 

[roverover]

 

[discostew]

That looks really fucked up. That valve didn't hit the piston? I haven't seen anything like that yet. What was the deal with that one? Just a misfire or what? Was it over reved or something? Is that the keeper in the spring still? and the valve is sinking? How many times have you seen that?

 

[roverover]

Yes just a misfire, they are not really common but are hidden under the buckets so unless you are looking for it you may not realize it, this one is more obvious than some. A couple of the shops here recommend doing heads at the same time and this is why but with a $13k quote a lot of people won't do it