What kind of smutty, low down rag of a newspaper would print such obscene photographs?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article1820247.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article1820247.ece
Won't somebody please think of the children?
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Carefull they dont issue a fatwa against you.
These are the people that want to turn the whole world to
radical Islam.
Watch your back.
These are the people that want to turn the whole world to
radical Islam.
Watch your back.
Thought process alert!
The goal of faithgivers is to dehumanize their congregation, forcing them to derive their only pleasure and safety from the organization itself. That's the purpose of it all, and what we see with Islam is a system that actually works. Islam uses a reward system, encouraging it's congregation to act on it's principals. Christianity uses a punishment system, engouraging it's congregation to avoid damnation.
Christianity used to have a reward system as well, leading to all the atrocities they took part in years ago. Now, they just make sure people donate and keep a low profile. Do what you want, so long as you give us 5 bucks every sunday and profess your guilt to god.
They both play on our greed. We want reward, and we don't want punishment. They both also use intimidating ritual, construction and structure to minimise the individual spirit of the lone follower, forcing a true collective belief among the congregation, and thus smothering the nay-sayers. I tell you, I wish I was the one who discovered the difference between what a believer is capable of and what someone who knows is capable of.
It's as obvious as a flashlight in a dark room to me. This is a big problem with the world. A person in a position of power can use god to accomplish anything, earning the loyalty of millions with a single word. There is no need to force anything on anyone, because they NEED it, or so they think.
Clever bloody idea, whoever came up with it. I wish I could take the credit. You had better believe I'd be up there too with a white robe and a silly hat, laughing my ass off at the gullible nature of humanity, like so many pawns on a chess board.
I'm laughing right now, actually. I laugh because it's just too late to cry about it. It's done, and that's that. This is the world, and since most are inside the problem, most will never notice it, and will resist all eforts to be alerted to the fact that the problem exists.
It's not the only problem, but it slots in with my other criticisms of the world nicely. They are all so interrelated as to be different facets of the same issue entirely.
Cheers,
Kennith
The goal of faithgivers is to dehumanize their congregation, forcing them to derive their only pleasure and safety from the organization itself. That's the purpose of it all, and what we see with Islam is a system that actually works. Islam uses a reward system, encouraging it's congregation to act on it's principals. Christianity uses a punishment system, engouraging it's congregation to avoid damnation.
Christianity used to have a reward system as well, leading to all the atrocities they took part in years ago. Now, they just make sure people donate and keep a low profile. Do what you want, so long as you give us 5 bucks every sunday and profess your guilt to god.
They both play on our greed. We want reward, and we don't want punishment. They both also use intimidating ritual, construction and structure to minimise the individual spirit of the lone follower, forcing a true collective belief among the congregation, and thus smothering the nay-sayers. I tell you, I wish I was the one who discovered the difference between what a believer is capable of and what someone who knows is capable of.
It's as obvious as a flashlight in a dark room to me. This is a big problem with the world. A person in a position of power can use god to accomplish anything, earning the loyalty of millions with a single word. There is no need to force anything on anyone, because they NEED it, or so they think.
Clever bloody idea, whoever came up with it. I wish I could take the credit. You had better believe I'd be up there too with a white robe and a silly hat, laughing my ass off at the gullible nature of humanity, like so many pawns on a chess board.
I'm laughing right now, actually. I laugh because it's just too late to cry about it. It's done, and that's that. This is the world, and since most are inside the problem, most will never notice it, and will resist all eforts to be alerted to the fact that the problem exists.
It's not the only problem, but it slots in with my other criticisms of the world nicely. They are all so interrelated as to be different facets of the same issue entirely.
Cheers,
Kennith
(Rant ON) I am over being tolerant of the intolerance of these ass-backwards relics of the tenth century. (Rant OFF)
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I like the quote "A Taliban-style Islamic court in the Pakistani capital has issued a fatwa"
This reminds me of my younger college years, I would drink a lot and then start hugging women and the next think I knew, I had a "FATWA". My friends still have to remind me of how big she was.
This reminds me of my younger college years, I would drink a lot and then start hugging women and the next think I knew, I had a "FATWA". My friends still have to remind me of how big she was.
My first thought was "how similar to the religious right here in the US". True, here in the US they don't kill as many people, but they use pretty much the same tactics condeming people in order to make the US in to even more of a theocracy than it already is. I despise any group who tries to force everyone to live by the morals some self-rightous group decides is correct.
Tom,
I think that the disparity between the number killed by the religious right in the US and the number killed by the Islamic militants is rather large.
Not to defend what ANY religious wacko does; but to equate the US religious right with the Islamic militants is a bit of a stretch.
I think that the disparity between the number killed by the religious right in the US and the number killed by the Islamic militants is rather large.
Not to defend what ANY religious wacko does; but to equate the US religious right with the Islamic militants is a bit of a stretch.
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These people are fucked up; check this out, her crime, being seen with a boy of a different sec.
What?s really fucked up about the whole thing is as they?re stoning/beating her to death, well god forbid her dress raises up to expose her panties.
What?s really fucked up about the whole thing is as they?re stoning/beating her to death, well god forbid her dress raises up to expose her panties.
What's beyond F'd up is that as they are stoning her to death half the crowd is trying to get good shots with their camera phones...the video footage CNN played the other day is rather shocking for the sheer ignorant brutality of it.
Of course me saying that is intolerant...
Of course me saying that is intolerant...
Four arrested? What about all the others seen in the video? Anyone there who didn't try to stop it should be charged with murder.
As for the religous extremists in this country, yes, they haven't killed nearly as many, but many see nothing wrong with killing in the name of Christ. Read The Handmaids Tale to see where things could go here if many have their way. There is a very fine line that hasn't been crossed here.....yet, but many are working dillegently to cross it, and many of those who don't see or refuse to acknowledge it will be the victims. Those of us who vocally oppose it will definitely be victims of the evil.
As for the religous extremists in this country, yes, they haven't killed nearly as many, but many see nothing wrong with killing in the name of Christ. Read The Handmaids Tale to see where things could go here if many have their way. There is a very fine line that hasn't been crossed here.....yet, but many are working dillegently to cross it, and many of those who don't see or refuse to acknowledge it will be the victims. Those of us who vocally oppose it will definitely be victims of the evil.
Christianity has nothing in common with Islam. They (the muslims) are murderer, terrorists, and the right hand of satan. Christians are not.
Why ,Tom, are you constantly backdoor defending these people.
If you want to bash on Christianity and Christians, do so, but please stop comparing them to muslims.
And where are these murders in the name of Christ happening?
Why ,Tom, are you constantly backdoor defending these people.
If you want to bash on Christianity and Christians, do so, but please stop comparing them to muslims.
And where are these murders in the name of Christ happening?
antichrist said:
come on Tom, you are way off base here. If you want to talk about what a relgious theocracy could do, at least don't use a half-baked socio-fi novel for comparision.
what you are seeing in the Islamic countries is pure evil, stuff dredged up from the middle ages and before. whta you should really be worried of is what will happen to guys like you if they get in charge here.
spydrjon said:
They happen, and plenty of bigotry in his name happens as well. In the rough areas of the world the Christians and Muslims alike are at each others' throats. On the home front, we generally only see bigotry from both, with the occasional extremist here and there. Still, there is violence here on occasion, and moreso than you might think. Things seemingly unrelated are in fact due to religious brow-beating over the centuries.
Right hand of Satan? The Muslims don't think so... As a matter of fact, they think similar thoughts about YOU. So who is right? For that matter, who is more righteous?
Both sides of that little war have destroyed millions of lives. Same shit, different pile. You slap our christian population in a war-torn region to grow up and mature in, and they will be firing RPGs as well, over the same stupid reasons. It's easy to have rosy opinions in the US of A, even while your brothers have made every effort through the years to gain political power in this very country, to opress just the same.
There are but two things that prevent the same crap happening in America, and that is our representative Democracy, and our vast array of resources from the beginning of our nation. We got lucky, that's it.
It's also a big help that we are isolated from much of the religious nonsense out there. Isolated because the christians destroyed the competition in this area before we were born.
My god is better then your god. They have infidel, you have heretic. It's all the same to me.
Cheers,
Kennith
Kennith,
Your presented understanding of Christianity is different from my Christianity. I agree that there are some congregations that go with a "punishment system", and those are congregations that I don't attend; The underlying message is a reward system, for believing. But if you believe, then you go and do good. Unfortunately, some interpret that as the reward is for doing good, which isn't the case. And, some people's definition of "good" is twisted.
spydrjon,
Unfortunately, Tom is right... how many "Christians" are bombing abortion clinics? They think they are justified in doing so. How many "Christians" think that they are justified in shooting a Muslim just because they're a Muslim.
As a Christian, sure, I can say that I have *a lot* of issues with Islam. However, most Muslims aren't causing the problem, it's only a small minority of them that are actually violent. Unfortunately, there are so many that a small minority is still a lot of people. And when those cultures are embedded in impoverished nations, it doesn't take much of a spark to get the gas can to blow. Whereas here, the radical "Christians" (please note, I don't consider the KKK and abortion clinic bombers to be Christians, only acknowledging that they claim to be) that can be violent are also a small minority, and aren't located in a country in as dire straights as some of the other Islamic countries.
One critical difference, though, is that most Christians condemn the KKK, whereas the majority of the Islamic nation remains silent about their militant members, which in effect is supporting them through their inaction to stop them. There are some people, such as Irshad Manji, who are trying to get the Muslim majority to condemn the allowance of violence in the name of their religion, and I for one, fully support her efforts.
Your presented understanding of Christianity is different from my Christianity. I agree that there are some congregations that go with a "punishment system", and those are congregations that I don't attend; The underlying message is a reward system, for believing. But if you believe, then you go and do good. Unfortunately, some interpret that as the reward is for doing good, which isn't the case. And, some people's definition of "good" is twisted.
spydrjon,
Unfortunately, Tom is right... how many "Christians" are bombing abortion clinics? They think they are justified in doing so. How many "Christians" think that they are justified in shooting a Muslim just because they're a Muslim.
As a Christian, sure, I can say that I have *a lot* of issues with Islam. However, most Muslims aren't causing the problem, it's only a small minority of them that are actually violent. Unfortunately, there are so many that a small minority is still a lot of people. And when those cultures are embedded in impoverished nations, it doesn't take much of a spark to get the gas can to blow. Whereas here, the radical "Christians" (please note, I don't consider the KKK and abortion clinic bombers to be Christians, only acknowledging that they claim to be) that can be violent are also a small minority, and aren't located in a country in as dire straights as some of the other Islamic countries.
One critical difference, though, is that most Christians condemn the KKK, whereas the majority of the Islamic nation remains silent about their militant members, which in effect is supporting them through their inaction to stop them. There are some people, such as Irshad Manji, who are trying to get the Muslim majority to condemn the allowance of violence in the name of their religion, and I for one, fully support her efforts.
I take too long to type anymore....
Kennith,
Actually, according to Islam, Christians and Jews are not infidels. They recognize that all three faiths originate out of the same beginning. Judaism is still in the older original stage, whereas Christianity went one direction under Jesus, and Islam under Mohammed. Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet. They just believe that Jews and Christians are misguided.
Kennith,
Actually, according to Islam, Christians and Jews are not infidels. They recognize that all three faiths originate out of the same beginning. Judaism is still in the older original stage, whereas Christianity went one direction under Jesus, and Islam under Mohammed. Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet. They just believe that Jews and Christians are misguided.
You are right about the infidels, and had you made the same argument for heretic, you would be right as well. I'm not talking about them kicking other religions, I'm talking about them kicking everyoine in general. These are the words that have been used to excuse violence.
As for Christians, the motivation is still punishment. If you don't go to heaven, you go to hell, or purgatory, depending on whether or not you are catholic. What good is heaven without hell? In the darkest hours of a mans life, when he fears for his soul, it is hell that causes him to profess his faith, not heaven.
Cheers,
Kennith
As for Christians, the motivation is still punishment. If you don't go to heaven, you go to hell, or purgatory, depending on whether or not you are catholic. What good is heaven without hell? In the darkest hours of a mans life, when he fears for his soul, it is hell that causes him to profess his faith, not heaven.
Cheers,
Kennith
To clarify a point:
Any religion thinks that it's on the right track. Muslims follow Islam, Jews have the Torah. Christians *should* be followers of Christ. Yes, as a Christian, I find deficiencies in other faiths. However, I'm not blind, I see plenty of problems going on within the Christian church, or rather, by certain congregations, denominations, or branches of... the thing is, no one's perfect. That's part of the appeal of Christianity to me, because I'm not perfect either. But, I find that I agree with it's main track. And, if one believes in their religion, then shouldn't they want to share that with others? That's the crux of the problem, though.
I find a lot of Christian congregations' approaches to be "wrong-headed", that they try to beat people into submission with fear of the lake of fire, as you were alluding to earlier Kennith. Islam is forcing its views by having the religion run the state.
My personal view is that, I need to be out there, doing my thing, as a Christian, trying to help others, do what I can to make this a better place to live. And hopefully, I can inspire someone to ask "Hey, you're happy, I'm not, what gives?" And at that point you can open a dialog. I think someone should want to enter a religion for "the right reasons", not because that group has scared them into thinking that they have to belong in order to obtain something.
Any religion thinks that it's on the right track. Muslims follow Islam, Jews have the Torah. Christians *should* be followers of Christ. Yes, as a Christian, I find deficiencies in other faiths. However, I'm not blind, I see plenty of problems going on within the Christian church, or rather, by certain congregations, denominations, or branches of... the thing is, no one's perfect. That's part of the appeal of Christianity to me, because I'm not perfect either. But, I find that I agree with it's main track. And, if one believes in their religion, then shouldn't they want to share that with others? That's the crux of the problem, though.
I find a lot of Christian congregations' approaches to be "wrong-headed", that they try to beat people into submission with fear of the lake of fire, as you were alluding to earlier Kennith. Islam is forcing its views by having the religion run the state.
My personal view is that, I need to be out there, doing my thing, as a Christian, trying to help others, do what I can to make this a better place to live. And hopefully, I can inspire someone to ask "Hey, you're happy, I'm not, what gives?" And at that point you can open a dialog. I think someone should want to enter a religion for "the right reasons", not because that group has scared them into thinking that they have to belong in order to obtain something.
Dang it I'm typing even slower:
Unfortunately, what you're presenting is the mass-simplification of it. Yes, there is a consequence to not believing. But if someone is becoming a Christian just because they're afraid of hell, they're heart's not in the right place... the reason to become a Christian is because you love Christ, and you want to share that love with others.
Actually, in ancient Judaism, there wasn't an understanding of eternal life. You lived, you died, you were gone. But, the early Jews still believed in God, and strove to follow His laws. It wasn't until later that the understandings about eternal salvation came about.
But, what if, you didn't even believe in an afterlife, but still felt that the teachings were valid in how people should treat each other, how you should conduct yourself? Love one another. Love your neighbor as you would yourself. Even if you don't believe in an afterlife, would you not be happier in life if you could follow such a command?
Unfortunately, what you're presenting is the mass-simplification of it. Yes, there is a consequence to not believing. But if someone is becoming a Christian just because they're afraid of hell, they're heart's not in the right place... the reason to become a Christian is because you love Christ, and you want to share that love with others.
Actually, in ancient Judaism, there wasn't an understanding of eternal life. You lived, you died, you were gone. But, the early Jews still believed in God, and strove to follow His laws. It wasn't until later that the understandings about eternal salvation came about.
But, what if, you didn't even believe in an afterlife, but still felt that the teachings were valid in how people should treat each other, how you should conduct yourself? Love one another. Love your neighbor as you would yourself. Even if you don't believe in an afterlife, would you not be happier in life if you could follow such a command?
That's not how it works.
The members already rely on their faith. The outsiders wander in at their weakest, seeking to find this feeling. Initially, they recieve it, then they supersticiously or genuinely go through the motions for the rest of their life, with a newfound higher purpose that gives them direction and meaning in this lonely universe.
Hell, you can find that same feeling in satanism. It's nothing special. What it is, however, is a nice way to get you in and present you with the consequences of disobediance. Now that little voice on the back of your head tells you you had better at least show up, just in case this eternity thing is real after all.
It's not that way for everyone. That's how it works, though. Religion has a product to sell and a fear to advertise it with. The product is salvation and the fear is death.
Like I said, I wish I was the inventor.
I was raised religious, I know a thing or two of how it works.
Invariably, I am presented with the argument: "I'm not like that, there is a difference between faith and religion". It's true a small percentage of the time, but everyone, without fail, thinks they are the special ones. Everyone want's to believe they have their own mind, but only a select few actually do, and I mean a select few.
As soon as someone begins to shake their head silently at the "mistakes" of other faiths and pray at people to heal them of their erroneous ways, they become the problem. They are now brainwashed beyond repair. They have just positioned themselves as the apparent higher being by way of devine selection, and now are justified in any action against thier inferiors.
Cheers,
Kennith
The members already rely on their faith. The outsiders wander in at their weakest, seeking to find this feeling. Initially, they recieve it, then they supersticiously or genuinely go through the motions for the rest of their life, with a newfound higher purpose that gives them direction and meaning in this lonely universe.
Hell, you can find that same feeling in satanism. It's nothing special. What it is, however, is a nice way to get you in and present you with the consequences of disobediance. Now that little voice on the back of your head tells you you had better at least show up, just in case this eternity thing is real after all.
It's not that way for everyone. That's how it works, though. Religion has a product to sell and a fear to advertise it with. The product is salvation and the fear is death.
Like I said, I wish I was the inventor.
I was raised religious, I know a thing or two of how it works.
Invariably, I am presented with the argument: "I'm not like that, there is a difference between faith and religion". It's true a small percentage of the time, but everyone, without fail, thinks they are the special ones. Everyone want's to believe they have their own mind, but only a select few actually do, and I mean a select few.
As soon as someone begins to shake their head silently at the "mistakes" of other faiths and pray at people to heal them of their erroneous ways, they become the problem. They are now brainwashed beyond repair. They have just positioned themselves as the apparent higher being by way of devine selection, and now are justified in any action against thier inferiors.
Cheers,
Kennith