WTF!!! Ray Nagin

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I cant believe what he said on national T.V. when an interviewer asked him why its taking so long to clean up and he says " Hey you people in New York have had a hole in the ground for five years and you still havent got that fixed yet" :mad: What a dick!!! he has been sitting on federal clean up funds for months now!!! He is comparing a natural disaster to a terrorist attack? :mad:
 

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FIRE74 said:
I cant believe what he said on national T.V. when an interviewer asked him why its taking so long to clean up and he says " Hey you people in New York have had a hole in the ground for five years and you still havent got that fixed yet" :mad: What a dick!!! he has been sitting on federal clean up funds for months now!!! He is comparing a natural disaster to a terrorist attack? :mad:

You get what you vote for! And they even re-elected him:eek:
 
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Guys before you make pre-suppositional comments watch the news please. Both situations are beat up because you have people arguing over what to do with site in NY and You have contractors arguing over who will build and how it will be rebuilt in NO. Moreover, yes he is sitting on funds because the government will not release anymore monies until an agreement can be reached. Both situations are bigger than little ol' Ray Nagin. \

Now, being a veteran who spent time in the desert let me tell you if you can send millions overseas to support and rebuild over there while your have to beg for descent weapons and supplies, I find that we have a problem that is bigger than the small issues you raise. Ask, any Vet that has been there and they will tell you how bad it is. Like it or not this administration sucks and you are right you get what you vote for. :patriot:
 
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I understand that there are bureaucratic holdups with the dispersion of disaster relief funds for those affected by last year's hurricanes. However, that does not make up for the fact that Ray Nagin is a racist, instigating, unproductive prick. Add this latest statement to the countless other soundbites he's spewed on a national platform, and you have a picture of a Grade-A asshole. The people of New Orleans didn't have any control over the hurricane that ravaged their city, but they had complete control over the people they elect to oversee its reconstruction. And now they're seeing the results of their decisions.
 

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Only 3 post before "It's Bush's Fault!" Thanks for the Friday humor.

Referring to it as a "hole in the ground" didn't win Hagin any points but there are similarities, two liberal cities that can't get anything done. Probably not enough money has been skimmed off to feed the corruption. Given everyone knows how corrupt these cities are it's no wonder the current administration has placed some tight controls on how the money is spent.

But in remarks to the annual meeting of the National Association of Black Journalists, Nagin said the hurricane "exposed the soft underbelly of America as it relates to dealing with race and class."

"And I, to this day, believe that if that would have happened in Orange County, California, if that would have happened in South Beach, Miami, it would have been a different response," Nagin said.​

You think? Just look one state over Nagin for a different response. No need to go to either coast. But Nagin is a good Liberal / Democrat - use race and class warfare.

On Friday, Nagin condemned federal regulations that discourage rebuilding in the largely black and low-lying Ninth Ward.​

Good! That's exactly what the Federal Government should be doing.
 

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:banghead:Trust me I didn't vote for him. I can't stand that man!!!!:patriot:
 

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Bluelion said:
Guys before you make pre-suppositional comments watch the news please. Both situations are beat up because you have people arguing over what to do with site in NY and You have contractors arguing over who will build and how it will be rebuilt in NO. Moreover, yes he is sitting on funds because the government will not release anymore monies until an agreement can be reached. Both situations are bigger than little ol' Ray Nagin. \

Now, being a veteran who spent time in the desert let me tell you if you can send millions overseas to support and rebuild over there while your have to beg for descent weapons and supplies, I find that we have a problem that is bigger than the small issues you raise. Ask, any Vet that has been there and they will tell you how bad it is. Like it or not this administration sucks and you are right you get what you vote for. :patriot:

I take it you are out of the service now? How many CINCs have you served under? Just curious..
 
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You think? Just look one state over Nagin for a different response. No need to go to either coast. But Nagin is a good Liberal / Democrat - use race and class warfare.

This isn't really fair. Totally different situations. They didn't flood like we did, and the area wasn't as populated or concentrated. Didn't have as many businesses, didn't have the social cancer that you saw looting and shooting at rescue workers (the same one that thinks somebody blew up the levees).

Nagin isn't really a good liberal democrat. He's far from that. So, if we're going to be critical of Ray, let's do it properly.

He's just not getting anything done. Any recovery that's happening down here is purely being done by individuals. It's quite remarkable. There is absolutely nothing coming from the top down. It's a real clusterfuck, but at the same time it's going okay as individuals being hardcore about seizing their lives back.

I feel totally hoodwinked. I believed in Ray, and I convinced friends to vote for him. He was truly a great mayor in his first term. He wasn't nearly as bad during the storm as he was made to look.

But now, he's just absent. The only consolation is that his opponent in the runoff might have been a worse alternative, and the opponent could have gone for another term.

At least Ray is out after this term.

You don't have to blame Ray in order to save Bush. The federal response totally sucked, but not because of Bush. And the bad shit that happened around here during the storm wasn't Ray's fault. The slow-ass rebuild might be Ray's fault, though.

I don't know why people have to rewrite the history of these things. Why isn't the looting, killing, raping, and rampaging fit for public discussion? Everybody tries to pretend that stuff didn't happen, but it certainly did. It more than anything else was the reason the relief effort got held up for two days, but everybody pretends like it didn't happen. I don't get that.
 

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OK its official it's Bushes fault.... Shoot the crack in the road in front of my house is Bushes fault... Hell if it rains tonight and the creek overflows its Bushes fault. Long shot but the brakes on my 90 are gone Bushes Fault? Oh if you think the Military is Bad you did not serve in the Carter Years... That was also Bushes fault....
 

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It's strange, every one of you, even when disagreeing, have pointed out the several problems associated with getting the job done right. Whether it's Bush's PC War, Nagin's racism, the social cancer invading most large U.S. cities, or beuraucratic red tape in Iraq, New York, and New Orleans -- it all leads back to one common thread: the trickle down effect of Liberalism in America.

To a liberal, the hurricane just might be Bush's fault.
To a liberal, the red tape helps to make it all fair.
To a liberal, the 9/11 memorial is just a hole in the ground.
To a liberal, the rebuilding effort in N.O. is hampered by all things Republican.
To a liberal, pulling yourself up by the bootsraps means getting ready for the gay pride parade.
To a liberal, being down and out is a badge of distinction.
To a liberal, the more dumed down, out of touch, dependant the population is on the government, the better to take advantage of them and get reelected.
To a liberal, a long, drawn out war is more desireable than a short, violent one.
To a liberal, a check from the government is a new TV, not a kick in the pants.
To a liberal, an education for a black American means that he's an Uncle Tom, a sell-out, and not really in-touch with his heritage.
To a liberal, it is OK for terrorists to purposefully target civilian populations, it's their right, but hell-to-pay if there is collateral damage caused by a laser guided bomb.

Those contractors are selfish. Bush is only half conservative. And not even WWII went as planned.

Nagin needs to shut up and get back to work.
 

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BTW, I donated to the N.O. rebuild. But there is no way my tax dollars should have been spent on rebuilding other people's homes. And frankly, I would have given that much more if I didn't know it was just going to get taken care of one way or another anyway.

My church, with a membership of about 550, sent one team of 30 people down there for two weeks -- they built two houses and refurbished a church building. I'd like to see the federal government beat those numbers with less than 15 million dollars and 5 years to get it done.

The government is really not the answer people. Lets get back to letting the government do what the constitution says it is supposed to, the rest will take care of itself.
 

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Yeah but how much of people bitched and complained about FEMA but they were quick to milk the government out of billions for non-Katrina related items.
 
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What billions of non-Katrina related items are you talking about?
 

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MarkP said:
"And I, to this day, believe that if that would have happened in Orange County, California, if that would have happened in South Beach, Miami, it would have been a different response," Nagin said.​

Of course it woudl have been different. Not becasue of federal response, because the people there woudl have dealt with it themselves. My parents lost a window in Ft. Lauderdale inthe last hurricane, most likely due to building material left onthe high rise going in next door. Did they B$tch about it to the gov? NO, private insurance and the homeowners association took care of it and our neighbors helped us clean up. We also had cases of bottled water that we gave out to everybody. And when fema was giving out water and ice, we went to the store and BOUGHT OUR OWN, across the street from the fema line. The stores were packed with supplies, but people wanted it for FREE!!! Thats why it woudnt happen in Ft. Lauderdale.Miami or Orange County. I find it hard to belive that he really is that stupid and said it only to incite racial/economic warfare.
 

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D90DC said:
OK its official it's Bushes fault.... Shoot the crack in the road in front of my house is Bushes fault... Hell if it rains tonight and the creek overflows its Bushes fault. Long shot but the brakes on my 90 are gone Bushes Fault? Oh if you think the Military is Bad you did not serve in the Carter Years... That was also Bushes fault....

Roger that! That is why I asked the fellow about CINCs. My first was Carter:ack:

Mike
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Anybody who blames Bush for this is just pot-shotting.

Here's the thing that's frustrating for a resident of New Orleans. The rest of the nation gets a curtailed story. They see soundbytes, clips, opinions and editiorials by other non-residents who only have a piece of the picture, and this conglomeration of partial understanding cements the firm belief in people's minds that they understand exactly what the story is.

Then it gets politicized, because the liberals attack Bush on it, and the repubs respond to defend Bush, and though it's warranted, their defense further politicizes the issue and makes things even muddier, if you'll allow me that untimely reference to mud. Everybody down here is sick of mud and his nefarious friend, stench. Those two are constantly hovering over your shoulder in N.O., and eventually you stop looking to find where it emanates from as you get around town.

So now the issue is a hot potato, which dehumanizes it and diminishes the heart-wrenching aspects of it. Spike Lee comes out with a documentary about it focusing exclusively on the race issue, as if white people didn't sustain devastating losses. He follows a tangent line of intentional levee breaks, designed to flood out black people, to a point that is stretched miles away from issues that should be being discussed.

God forbid the story of looting and rampaging is told; who knows what the nation will think of us? Even the local media will now deny that the city was pretty much overrun by gangs and thugs, though they were certainly reporting that it was right after the storm and ample evidence exists to prove it. God forbid somebody tell the story of what, during that brief period of martial law, law enforcement did to upwards of 2,500 thugs who won't be missed by anybody who can do anything about it.

This unholy gumbo of bastardizing, half truth-ing, and political side taking (that chooses sides first, then finds low-hanging evidence to support whatever decision it is that keeps all the party lines in our heads from crossing ) is not a delicious New Orleans gumbo. It's a concotion from elsewhere in the world, from all places not New Orleans, and it does no justice to the physical, financial, and emotional damage with which all New Orleans residents have learned to live casually.

Well, some have learned to live with the strain. Others have gone out the window. The local suicide rate is up 300%, according to the stats. And that doesn't include "soft suicides" of people who just stop taking their meds. The murder rate is up too, as local drug dealers fight over smaller territories. The city is pretty violent right now, but it's nothing that the residents can't live with - what's a little more violence than we're used to compared to the pressing issues each of us is personally dealing with?


The frustration is caused by the rest of the nation pidgeon hole-ing New Orleans. They put it in a tidy little package away in their brain, dismissing it because the New Orleans they see on the news isn't worthy of their empathy and it certainly can't help itself. Not a real news flash, but the media totally sucks balls. There isn't ONE guy out there in all media who does real reporting anymore. Or if there is one, he certainly can't get anything printed or on the air. It's got to sell, baby. Ratings and whatnot.

And it just sucks. Our dirtiest laundry is constantly aired, and the reason it sucks so bad is that everybody should know how cool New Orleans really is. It's very hard to explain. There is a vibe here you don't get anywhere else. It washes over you, and comforts you in a thick and gooey way that makes you really happy to be in your own skin. The local landscape, architecture, and weather have something to do with it, the people, music, and food have a little more, but the history is what makes this place so unique. People, buildings, and the rest come and go, but local history and tradition run very deep around here. It won't wash away, be wind blown, or get flooded out. This vibe isn't created by the intent of the residents; it occupies this place and we just move around in it temporarily.

It's so cherished that people are fighting really hard to rebuild it with just about zero help from local government. Either because of incompetence or just general political malaize, nothing comes from the top down. Despite the permament cloud of uncertainty hanging dark and brooding over everybody's heads, shit is coming along.

So what if Entergy is gouging us with crazy energy prices even though the company is providing shitty service? So what if the city's water pipes have over 17,000 leaks in them from sitting in salt water for 3 days, and the severely diminished firefighting force can't get water? So what if business can't find employees? So what if retailers aren't open late because they can't find help and customers are sporadic unless the business is a bar? So what if you can't insure your new house with private insurance because all the companies refuse to write new policies, while at the same time they argue with each other over whether your storm damage was caused by wind or flood, while you wait for somebody to cut you a check?

So what if there is still no coherent plan to rebuild the marsh, which is a simple job of diverting fresh water and controlling oil companies' destruction of it? So what if there is no definitive date on the completion of new levees?

People are rebuilding it. It's unfortunate that the nation will never know the great story of the spirit and will of the residents here who are people you'd be proud of and admire, not the ones who are playing the blame game and make us ashamed to live in the same country as them.
 
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