Yes you can repair faulty D1 ABS sensors :)

KevLar

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In case anyone is interested, I recently went through a nightmare with my 96 D1 ABS system. The brakes worked fine, but the ABS light came on 4 months ago and I couldn't get the problem fixed and the light extinguished.

The original blink code was for the left rear sensor air gap. I fiddled with that sensor but it looked fine and the resistance and voltage tests indicated it was OK, so pulled both rear sensors, swapped them left to right and then got a whole bunch of other codes which made me think the ECU had gone schizoid ;)

I put the rear sensors back in their correct spots and then got a front left sensor bad connection code. I pulled the sensor and did the resistance and voltage checks and it seemed fine, so I reinstalled it. Still got the bad connection code so I pulled it again and this time I noticed intermittent readings on the resistance test... When bending the cable back and forth close to the top of the sensor, I noticed the resistance would go from normal (~ 0.998 ?) and then change to infinite (e.g.: open circuit = broken wire).

I reinstalled the sensor in such a way that the wires in the cable were "connecting" and I was getting a normal resistance reading when it was all tied down, but I still got the bad connection code when I plugged the sensor into the ECU, so I decided that since the cable was f@%#ed, I would tear it apart and see if I could fix it.
The sensor is basically a tall stainless cup with a solid plastic cap that goes in quite a distance into the cup. You cannot pull the plastic plug out (at least I couldn't for fear of damaging the stainless housing), so I used my Dremel tool with a tiny grinding bit and ground out the plastic plug to a depth of about 1/2" into the cup.

I peeled away the black silicone insulation sheath from about 2" of exposed cable back from the sensor which revealed 2 wires (~ 16 Ga), one black and one brown. I then peeled the insulation from these two wires and found that the brown wire was broken clean through. The location of the break was right at the point where the cable meets the top of the plastic top on the sensor, which indicates that the reason for the break was fatigue (repeated bending of the cable at the top of the sensor which eventually led to the break). I'll talk about yet another example of piss poor LR design later since having taken the sensor apart, I can say it is a pretty well made "instrument" except for the fact that there is no stress reliever built into the head of the sensor, thus creating an inherent concentrated stress point which will lead to certain failure over time. Every time the wheels are steered left or right, the ABS cable is flexing and the wires are hardening...

I did a resistance check of the sensor itself using the newly exposed wires protruding from the top of the sensor and the readings looked good, so I decided to attempt a repair. I wanted to improve the bad design so I made up a pair of "dog leg" shaped wires to act as pins from the top of the sensor. I made these by stripping 2 short pieces of 12 Ga wire of their insulation and coating them with solder so they were stiff after they were bent up (see sketch). I then soldered the 2 wires to the short wires in the top of the ABS sensor. I then used a really good 2 part potting compound called "Marine-Tex" to seal and secure the stiff "dog leg" wires into place. Once the potting compound had cured, I soldered the original ABS cable wires back to the pins on the sensor and made up a stiffener using a small piece of polycarbonate (Lexan) sheet which I heat formed over the coated pins just for extra strength.

I then applied another coat of potting compound to cover the polycarb and seal the wires. Once it was all cured, I re-installed the sensor and the code was gone. No more ABS light :)

Now my rant on LR design... As I mentioned earlier, the ABS sensor has an inherent design flaw in that there is no stress reliever incorporated around the cable where it joins to the top of the sensor. This is definitely a no-no and Wabco should know better. However, the design folks at LR should have recognized this as a problem and done a better job (due diligence) in designing how the sensor is mounted to the wheel hub ! All it would take is a fastening point for the cable somewhere near the ABS sensor location so that the cable could still flex but not at the top of the sensor. It's not rocket science, anybody with the slightest amount of common sense would know this !! The result is that an instrument with no moving parts which should last forever now fails at about 70K miles (at least for me). I'm guessing the replacement cost for one of these sensors is about $150, and if you consider the cost that would normally be incurred by getting this diagnosed and fixed at the stealership, you would probably be looking at over $300 per wheel. This is bullshit given that the sensor itself still works.

So, with all the money I'm saving by repairing all these crappy LR design issues myself, I will be able to get a return ticket to the UK so I can go to LR and personally bitch slap the designers for being such f@%#tards !

KevLar
 

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KevLar

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NZDisco said:
Thanks, good advice. I'm just about to change a bad front sensor for a good used one. Will repair and keep the damaged one as a spare. I have the same fault code relating to sensor or wiring impedance too great.

I assume you have found the blink code procedure in the TSB section and thus can avoid a trip to the stealeship to clear the ABS codes. If not, here's the link:

http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13968

Also, make sure to use a high quality potting compound to seal and fill the repair. Obviously there can be a lot of water in the wheel well area and it wouldn't take long for that to wick its way into the sensor and screw it up permanently. The Marine-Tex stuff I used is really good and I got it from a shop that did marine/boat work in BC. Regular hardware store 2 part epoxy (e.g.: "Lepage #11 Epoxy" here in Canada) does not tolerate submersion or frequent exposure to water !

Kev
 

KevLar

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KevLar said:
I assume you have found the blink code procedure in the TSB section and thus can avoid a trip to the stealeship to clear the ABS codes. If not, here's the link:

http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13968

Also, make sure to use a high quality potting compound to seal and fill the repair. Obviously there can be a lot of water in the wheel well area and it wouldn't take long for that to wick its way into the sensor and screw it up permanently. The Marine-Tex stuff I used is really good and I got it from a shop that did marine/boat work in BC. Regular hardware store 2 part epoxy (e.g.: "Lepage #11 Epoxy" here in Canada) does not tolerate submersion or frequent exposure to water !

Kev

BTW, here's the link to Marine-Tex site. I wasn't sure if it was still being produced, but it looks like it is :) My jar is over 7 years old and I was pleasantly surprised to find that it was still soft and worked fine after all that time !

http://www.marinetex.com/PRODUCT%20PAGE_files/All%20MarineTex%20Putty/marinetex%20prod%20info.htm
 

Justin_Sherfy

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Kevlar,

Excellent post.

I have an ABS problem. I have a '95 Discovery with the 4 plug ABS diagnostic connector. I took it into the dealer about two months ago so they could pull the codes. They told me that it was left front wheel sensor. I got a used sensor and replaced it this past weekend. My ABS light did not go away. I've tried to do the "blink" diagnostic. I used a 14 gauge wire to jump the black/pink and black wire. I turned the ignition to the II position and my ABS light didn't "blink". I waited more than the 7.5 seconds and nothing happened. Any ideas why the "blink" method wouldn't work on my truck?
 

KevLar

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Justin_Sherfy said:
Kevlar,

Excellent post.

I have an ABS problem. I have a '95 Discovery with the 4 plug ABS diagnostic connector. I took it into the dealer about two months ago so they could pull the codes. They told me that it was left front wheel sensor. I got a used sensor and replaced it this past weekend. My ABS light did not go away. I've tried to do the "blink" diagnostic. I used a 14 gauge wire to jump the black/pink and black wire. I turned the ignition to the II position and my ABS light didn't "blink". I waited more than the 7.5 seconds and nothing happened. Any ideas why the "blink" method wouldn't work on my truck?

Sorry for not replying sooner, but I haven't been on the board for several months.
It sounds like your ABS system in the '95 is different than the one on the '96. In the '96 the procedure is to short out 2 pins in the OBD II connector, but the '95 does not have an OBD II connector...
If you haven't figured out the problem, let me know and I'll see if I can find something to help you figure it out.
Cheers !
KevLar
 

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Excellent, you just could have saved yourself a ton of time by going directly to the front sensors and checking for intermittent contact.
The absence of stress relievers on these blows my mind as well - LR engineers knew that, too - that's why they put a tie-down point right under the spring perch. If they put two instead of one, I bet the sensors would last twice as long.

FWIW, IIRC, ABS on a 95 is exactly the same as on a 96 (or later on to 99).
With an intermittent fault, the code may not always provide correct diagnostics. Make no mistake, if one sensor is intermittently bad, the other is not far behind.
 

KevLar

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p m said:
Excellent, you just could have saved yourself a ton of time by going directly to the front sensors and checking for intermittent contact.
The absence of stress relievers on these blows my mind as well - LR engineers knew that, too - that's why they put a tie-down point right under the spring perch. If they put two instead of one, I bet the sensors would last twice as long.

FWIW, IIRC, ABS on a 95 is exactly the same as on a 96 (or later on to 99).
With an intermittent fault, the code may not always provide correct diagnostics. Make no mistake, if one sensor is intermittently bad, the other is not far behind.

Now that I have taken one of the sensors apart and had a close look at the rear installation, it's clear that the front are several times more likely to fail due to work hardening causing the wires to crack.

Still, running the blink code procedure several times always came up with the same indication for the rear wheel (right side I believe).

Next time I get an ABS code, I will first tap all of them to make sure they are properly seated, and if that doesn't resolve the problem, then I will be focusing in on the front wheels !

Kev
 

KevLar

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I would say go for it ! If you are moderately competent with hand tools and know how to solder, the repair should not be a problem for you.
You will need a Dremel tool or die grinder to carve out the plastic "cap" of the sensor cup which goes into the cup quite a distance. Also, you will need a high quality waterproof 2 part epoxy to seal up the repair completely. I highly recommend Marine Tex ! DO NOT use regular 2 part epoxy like Lepage or whatever. These are only water resistant and will soften and deteriorate in immersed in water. Since you live near the coast (?), you should be able to find Marine Tex at a marine shop. If not, do a search for it on the net. You want the kit that is a 2 oz bottle going for about $15 and comes in grey or white.
Let me know if you need any advice :)
Cheers !
Kev
 

KevLar

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I am currently repairing a set of ABS sensors for a DWeb member, and I am taking pictures as I go along. I will be posting a more detailed procedure when I am done for anyone who in interested.

Kev