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Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:07 am: | 
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Well, perfect. Things have been going pretty well on my rover for the last couple thousand miles. I only have 6,000 miles on my 2001 DII. Anyway, here's the deal. I am getting a noise when going over bumps that sounds like something is loose.... sort of a clanking sound. I can only hear it with the windows up, and it's hard to hear over the tire noise, but it is definately there. I haven't had a chance to check anything yet, other than when I got to work, I pushed up and down on the 4 corners to see if it was suspension related. In the rear, the sound comes when you push the corners only. If you push in the middle, there is no noise. So, that makes me think it is either something that is pivoting, or moving side to side..... Weird.
Next I pushed on the front and I can feel the vibration of what ever it is coming through the ARB bullbar. Now I can't tell that it is the bull bar, but it could just be transmitting vibrations down the frame.
Any thoughts or clues of what to check tonight? I can't seem to isolate where its coming from or what it could be.
My setup:
2001 DII SE
RTE 2" HD springs all around
Rancho 9005 & 9010 shocks
ARB bullbar in front
235-85-16 tires on stocks & spare
Everything else is pretty much stock still. Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks,
Greg |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:13 am: |
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Radius arm or trailing arm bolts. Check to see if they are tight...
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:18 am: |
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i'd check the rancho shocks.  |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:26 am: |
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Thanks for the tip, Ho. I'm sure it must be the Ranchos...
I did have a thought regarding the ARB. Do you have to regularly retighten front bumpers? I haven't checked it since I put it on, but I tightened the bolts tight as hell when I installed it.
Also, is it normal for radius or trailing arm bolts to get loose in only 6,000 miles? Just curious.
I will definately get under it tonight and see. I really need someone to jump up and down on the bumpers while I'm under it to help isolate the noise. Maybe I can find someone with nothing better to do this evening.
PS - Did you see my comment on the thread regarding being denied for tires? It was regarding Ho and his love of Rancho. I'm telling the world your secret Ho...... about using ranchos painted yellow on your truck. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:28 am: |
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The bolts were probably removed for your spring install and then didnt get tightened enough when they were put back ...
Kyle |
Chris S
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:33 am: |
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I had the same problem on my 2000 DII, when I changed shocks I didn't quite tighten down the front left shock at the top enough, and every time I went over a bump it made a pretty bad noise. I tightened it about 1mm and no more noise. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:07 pm: |
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Well, I did my own spring instll Kyle and I didn't remove the bolts so that wouldn't me it. I sort of used a combo method by jacking the truck one wheel at a time with a floor jack under the frame, and the rover jack under the axle. Then, used the rover jack between axle and frame to get just enough room to slide the springs in without compressing them. The 2" springs will just fit without over stressing the breaklines, if you unclip them from the frame on the first couple of clips. I have thought about the shock mounts. I didn't remove the towers, so they should still be secure, and I put sleeves inside the bushings, and packed either side of the shock with washers to keep it snug. I tightened the hell out of the bolts I thought, but maybe one more tighten will help.
I do have some 12mm sleeves ordered to up in the shocks to fit the DII bolts perfectly, but that has not been this noticible of a noise on the 1/2" sleeves. They chatter a little on cobblestones or something, but this is more of a clunky vibration I can feel. I even am wondering if the ARB is not somehow moving ever so slightly. It has been very snug and has not moved a peep before, but maybe 2500 miles of driving has vibrated the bolts a little loose? I did use the correct size bolts there.
The only other thing I can think of is maybe one of my rovertym lower shock mounts is loose. I was pretty sure I had them snugged down tight to the spring plate. I even put on a second set of nylon lock nuts to make sure they stayed put.
Hopefully I can get a better idea of where it's coming from tonight.
Thanks for the tips so far. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:09 pm: |
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Oh damn , you got too many issues there. You got the clankety shock mounts , clankety shocks and shit dropping and popping all over... I should have read better initially... My advise had changed... I am now switching over to... Just get used to it Greg , shit happens...
Kyle |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:13 pm: |
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Well at least you didn't ask if I was Mexican. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:04 pm: |
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Greg, I had the same issues, and it turned out they were created at different times by different things. Tightening my front upper shock mounts worked one time. Twice since then it's been loose radius arm bolts. What's strange is I have never loosened them. Both times it's been a radius arm bolt that only required about an eighth of a turn to tighten. When loose, it sounds (or feels) like something is hitting the floor under you feet. Another time I had clunking and squeaking up front. Turned out to be loose panhard bolts. Again, only about a half-turn to tighten, but made a world of difference. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:30 pm: |
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I wonder if the lift causes the bolts to loosen as the new springs and height settles in? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:34 pm: |
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Both Gregs had Ranchos.... boing boing boing.......
Kyle |
Ho Chung (Ho)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:37 pm: |
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and you call ME hard headed? |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:44 pm: |
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Well you are..... Lets not go there with Shocks man..... You aint a Rancho man but your alternative may very well have been worse..
Kyle |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:56 pm: |
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put some miles on your beast and everything starts to shake rattle & roll, especially offroad. I can hear my worn steering bushings, brake pads, brake heat/mud shields, center caps on the rims, wheel bearings in need of replacement, and of course the goddamn squeaky plastic on plastic rattle from the dashboard. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:03 pm: |
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Kyle, now it's just boing boing. I adjusted my shocks. See, we Rancho owners can do that. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:46 pm: |
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Ahhhhh yes , the magic adjuster knobs. The fact that you have the adjuster knobs on there still just tells me you dont do anything with the truck acept pose for pics for the DII list...
Kyle |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:49 pm: |
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Now THAT was below the belt. I'm leaving now! |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:02 pm: |
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lol
Ya had to know it was coming...
Kyle |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 04:05 pm: |
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I still haven't moved my little adjuster knobs... Put them on on setting 3 and they are still there...... of course I still have sway bars too. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 05:22 pm: |
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You should have seen this guy fiddling with his adjusto-matics on the trail! Doesn't make much sense when you consider the rest of the beast.
Then one of the Rancho piston rods failed and he couldn't take the shock off because of the overly-complex cab-mounted control panel and airlines.
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Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 07:11 pm: |
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Well, don't I feel stupid now. We were all wrong, but I did find the culprit. My front sway bar ball joints were loose. Damn those torx bolts. Guess I didn't tighten them up quite enough when I put the springs in.
Tightened them up and it appears to be quiet. I'll give it the real test on my way to work in the morning.
Thanks for all the tips. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 08:08 pm: |
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Just adjust those magic knobs to compensate..
kyle |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 08:41 am: |
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smartass. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 09:02 am: |
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Thanks again for the tips. I checked every single one of the bolts mentioned above and all were tight. My test drive this morning proved that the sway bar had been the culprit and it appears to be tightened enough to be quiet now.
I just heard that my 12mm sleeves shipped out yesterday for the rancho's too, so that will take care of that noise. I didn't want to drill out the stock holes to use 1/2" bolts, so I tracked down the 12mm sleeves to keep stock bolts.
Now, if I could just figure out how to keep all that plastic on the inside from rattling, I would be in heaven..... Then I could hum along with my MTR's in perfect solitude....
And Kyle, does OME make shocks to fit a DII with 10" travel on front and 12" on rear? Just curious, as that is what I would want if I replaced my rancho's. |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 09:20 am: |
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Greg Davis, I read your above post about the clanking noise felt through the floor (radius arm loose). Not to sound like a complete moron, but which one is the radius arm? I have the same problem. Do you have a link to a picture or something? Thanks. |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 09:26 am: |
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Isn't it the deal that is shaped like a big dental floss pick that runs from a little forward of midsection on the frame and wraps around the axle? |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 09:49 am: |
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Yep, that's it. It's the cast arm that locates the axle to the frame. One per side, two per axle, about 2.5' - 3' long. The bolts that have always been loose on mine were the ones attaching the arm to the axle. The bolts attaching the arm to the frame have never been loose. Again, they don't have to be very loose to cause the noise. If you can get an eighth of a turn out of one, it was probably the culprit. |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
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Thanks. I'll check it tomorrow. By the way, I got under it (looking for the cause of the sound), and with my hands, I couldnt move or shake anything. Before you tightened your radius arm, did it have any play by hand? |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:08 am: |
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With only an eighth of a turn needed, I wouldn't imagine you would be able to move it by hand. It is during the flexing that your truck goes through when driving that the small amounts make a big difference. |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:26 am: |
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Kingfish, no play was evident at all. But when tightened just a little, the noise disappeared. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:33 am: |
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Did you mean tightening of the knobs ? Or tightening of the bolts ? I get confused....
Kyle |
Greg P. (Gparrish)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:46 am: |
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Kyle, you're knob funny anymore..... |
Greg Davis
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 11:51 am: |
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Bolts. My knob(s) only get adjusted on special occassions now.  |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:17 pm: |
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Simon
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:11 pm: |
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I think some mexican haters need some colombian neck ties..
80)
Simon |
Kyle
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:15 pm: |
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Simone "" Shuddup , you ran those Rancho shocks as well with the magic knobs. Now you dont want a beat down like you nearly got last week end do you??
Kyle |
Simon
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:26 pm: |
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kyla let me remind you that I was going to get equally beat up by anglos and latins so i don't know what you saying...
and about the ranchos yes I felt for them when the tree amigos were into "other" things ax was in OME you were and still woodinyouhead and Ho was in coil overs.. then I got hit by a cuban and ho by a mexican then the flame wars started... hehehe
I learned my lesson a looong time ago....
Simon.
the fomerly extreme mexican..LOL |
simon
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 02:49 pm: |
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by the way I'm coming back tomorrow morning with big signs that say "DONT KILL US WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS WE LOOK LIKE THEM BUT WE ARE NOT"
and a small saying "8 fucks playing paintball!"
lol
Simon. |
Blue (Bluegill)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 03:06 pm: |
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LOL |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 04:04 pm: |
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-L |
Kingfish (Kingfish)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 10:40 am: |
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Guys, thanks for the help. It turned out my radius arm under the driver was loose by about 1/8th turn also. The annoying sound I put up with for the last year is finally gone. Score one for DiscoWeb! |
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