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Disco97
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 06:35 pm: | 
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Do I really need one or this is just decoration to look my disco more tough. Here are the reasons why Im a little bit hesitant? (a) It adds up to more than 130lbs to the weight of the LR which in turn reduces my gas mileage. (b) How many times will I need my winch assuming Im off-roading 60% here in S. Cal.(c) the winch is dependent in your battery. If the battery fails your $1200 investment is useless. If the engine dont start this accessory is also of no help. Am I correct on all this assumption. |
abby (Abby)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 06:45 pm: |
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Dear Disco97,
Here are the answers to your concerns:
(a) correct.
(b) you use as often as you get stuck.
(c) correct.
Now a question for you. I assume you have auto insurance. Why? It cost money, you rarely use it, if your vehicle gets into an accident and an unauthorized person was driving, it'll render useless....
Regardless of the above issues, you still have insurance because life is like a box of chocolates.  |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 06:49 pm: |
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Well... no... my winch (X9) alone weighs less than your stated 130lbs. But with ARB bumper and winch I'm well over your 130lbs. And the $1200 investment I take it is for both bumper and winch?
Anyway... to answer your question. How useful it will be is up to you. It depends on what kind of wheeling you do. You can get by with a Hi-Lift (60") but it's a real pain in the a$$ as a hand winch. If you wheel with buddies you can generally have them strap you so a winch might not be needed but it depends on the situation. And if you're stuck in deep whale $hit and no way to recover the cost of the winch will seem very well worth it especially if you're not within cell phone range and far from a road.
A winch will also allow you to get to places you may not be able to without one. It's not only helpful in getting you out of situations but in getting you to places your vehicle may not be able to go due to obstacles in the trail. If you're not sure if you need one I would first find out how to use one and what it can do for you in the field. You've taken the first step here in asking. =) |
Disco97
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 06:59 pm: |
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Sorry, what I mean by 130 lbs and $1200 is the estimated weight and cost for both winch and bumper. |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 07:07 pm: |
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Abby makes a really good point, that is to say that you wont or dont need a winch until your asshole deep in the swamp and the gators are swimming your way. then you will want one!
mike w |
Kyle
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 07:31 pm: |
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Well , if you dont know why you need a winch. I say you dont need it. It will come to you eventually , or not I guess..
Kyle |
Milan
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 08:48 pm: |
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You off-road 60%? Man, that's a lot. I off-road maybe like 8.5% and think it's often. |
Mike D1
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 01:24 am: |
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Kyle is right on this one. There is no question, if you do need one. |
Steve
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 02:59 am: |
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If you are serious about off roading with a Rover you will need a winch. If all you do is drive to the snow or in the back country where you drive on fire trails and occasionally cross a creek you won't need one. But the same can be said for 4 wheel drive. |
-OTTO-
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 05:03 am: |
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"Is a winch really needed?"
I say no!
I ve got a Handwinch.You can use it at the front of the car and in the back to.
Its a 1.6ton hand winch and that is enough to winch a Disco out of mud.And make yourself a little Arnold Schwarzenegger!
You got no troubles with the battery and you can use it in every situation!
And of course its more cheaper than a Warn,Husky,Mailmarker.......
Greatings from good old Germany!!!
-OTTO- |
Roger Fastring
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:13 am: |
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No its not. I wheel "alot" and have had two winches on other rigs including a dedicated trail rig. To be honest, they were used seldom and far between. I usually wheel with a buddy and the other right, boards, highlifts and 'friends' can 'almost' always get you out. Some of this is terrain dependant (I dont drive into a big pile of mud, as I'm wheeling in S/Cal and Baja). It may take longer (it will) to extract without a winch, but usually that sort of serious stuck situation is a good "rest spot" to cook up lunch, take pictures and then get to business. I will get another winch on a multi-mount so that its not always on the rover or other 4x4 vehicles and so that I have one for all of the 4x4s. My 1/50 of a Euro... |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 10:14 am: |
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it allows you more freedom. sometimes i wheel alone. i'd never do that with out having my winch.
you say what if the winch breaks. well i've considered this. now say someone is dying and i need to make it out of the woods at all costs. the ass of my truck slides off the trail and i get stuck (that has happened)and the winch is broke.
i was also considering because i have a detroit in the back, that i could unspool all the cable from my winch and weave it thru my back tire which is spinning round and round in the dirt and winch myself using that....
so if you dant have a winch at least carry the cable.
anyone care to comment on that emergency.
rd |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 10:16 am: |
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oh,, and my warn weighs about 130 itself, then add a hundred or so pounds for an ARB.. it's all good though. just got to tune the thing.
rd |
Disco 97
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:24 am: |
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I appreciate all your input. What if I go with lockers first instead of the winch. Should my Disco be as capable? In area 51 or the Rubicon trail or Truckhaven or even Moab is winch really a neccessity. |
Axel Haakonsen (Axel)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:30 am: |
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Lockers will allow you to get to a more remote place before you get stuck. You are comparing apples and oranges, when you are stuck, you are stuck, and a locker won't help you.
And good luck getting up Rockpile in Moab without a winch...... |
LR Max
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:31 am: |
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Like others have said before, what kind of wheeling do you do? If you are almost always with a group with others that can help you, then a winch is a waste of money (and if the other guy has one, then thats even better!). Now, if you like to go back into the woods a lot by yourself, I would suggest a winch.
I go back into the woods a lot by myself. Mainly for game hunting. I do have a winch and an ARB bull bar on my Series 3. It is always a good feeling to know you can get out of whatever you can get into.
Another thought, where ever you go, do you see a lot of natural ground anchors? I don't know b/c I have never seen Cal. before and a guess there are a lot of rocks there. Your winch is useless if you don't have something to hook it too.
My .02
Max T. |
Andy
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:54 pm: |
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I ran into this same question a few months ago. I was ready to modify the disco and thought my first need was a winch. I wheeled with friends who had winchs and are serious off roaders. They used them and made me want one too. I was into car racing and finally got out of that and bought my disco. I was going get a winch till I really looked at how I was using my truck. I decided that investing in recovery points, straps, and a hilift was more important. I also did a mild lift and searched out people to wheel with that would be good to learn with. I figured someday maybe I'll need a winch as I go deeper offroad. But right now I need to learn to drive the truck, and if go into potential sitautions that could get me stuck, go with others. I never used a winch before, so I don't want go get one until I have the experience in knowing how and where to use it. I live in Utah and go to moab and other southern desert areas and can go to a lot of places, not everywhere, and still have lots of fun. I think if I don't build a trail rig, I'll get sliders, lockers and a winch. But having recovery gear and points, common sence and good judgement should be the first investment.
my $.02 Andy |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 01:10 pm: |
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Well , I said what I said because of quite a few reasons. The biggest being that you dont really apreciate having a GOOD winch on the front of the truck until you have been stuck up to your ass without it. Or when you have come to an obstacle 20 miles into a 21 mile trail that you cant get over without a winch.
Relying on others is a bad plan. You are taking quite alot for granted. Quality of equipment , maintenance of equipment and just plain knowing how to use the equipment are just a few that are lacking in most cases.
I am sure I will get beat up now with the hand winches and the highlift and thats cool. Use that shit till your hearts content.. As I said , if you are wondering why you need one or thinking you dont... You dont in my book. That day just hasnt come for you yet... YET
Kyle |
Disco97
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 02:02 pm: |
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May I add, I have heard that all this modification especially the winch is of no added value when you sell your truck. (If you sell the winch separately thats different story.) I know I want to keep my truck forever. People are turned off buying this highly modified trucks because of the thought that these are beaten -up offroad. Is this true? I think I like Andy's "use a good judgement" advice. If you think you get stuck back-off. |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 02:07 pm: |
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Definately Disco97 , go with that one.... I am sure most people knew they were going to get stuck before it actually happened...
Kyle |
M. K. Watson (Lrover94)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 02:14 pm: |
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ok heres my nickel, if you go off road anywhere be prepared or dont go, if your idea of hard core off roading is driving up a long dirt drive way then forget it, however if you are like most people i have ever met the call of that unknown barely passable as a two track road keeps popping up on the drive home, if you are tempted to go then buy every damn piace of recovery equipment you can find, if not get a good rain coat and a real good pair of walking shoes.
mike w
ps you should never assume that the guy going with you will have what it will take to get both of you unstuck. |
Robbie (Robbie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 02:25 pm: |
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Yeah, had an ol 86 4Runner my last year in high school and a few years in college. Thought I was the coolest. Man, that could go wherever I wanted. Then I drove through a little construction area, got stuck up beyond my door sills in mud (31/10.5 - 2" lift). Was just with my buddy cause I didn't think this was really offroading, just driving around enjoying the wheels spinning. Couldn't find anyone to haul me out till about 24 hours later. And then, noone had a winch, so tied off two trucks in tandem to get me out. Learning experience, and I thought to myself, "that'll never happen again." Couple years later, was driving along a little river/creek, saw a cut off from the road go off to the left, through the stream, and come up the other bank. Didn't look too deep, so figured, what the hell. Drove on through, water up to sills, then middle of doors, then dropped off a rock and sank the nose. Stalled, had to wade through waist deep water about 50 feet, then walk about 5 miles to nearest public phone as noone would let me use their house phone (middle of boonies and I guess I looked rough). Had a friend's Ram pull me out, let it dry, pulled plugs and shot the water out and started it up and drove home. Just saying, you never know what the hell you are going to get involved in, and your brain sometimes doesn't want to think straight or the trail/road just doesn't appear to be what it really is. Be safe, carry the insurance with you to at least get you to dry ground. Yeah, woulda helped to have had a buddy with me each time, but that just isn't always the case. Each time, I never meant to be where I was, but "it was there."
my opinion of course and you can just blame it all on me being a dumbass if you want. |
Andy
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 02:37 pm: |
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I agree with you Kyle. I haven't gotten stuck to the point of needing a winch, not saying it will never happen to me though. Your right about taking others for granted, re-reading my post sounds like I'll follow anyone even if its over a clif. I was trying to say go wheeling and go conservative, figure out if you will ever need a winch or not. I am a climber and mountaineer, the reason I bought the disco was to use it to get back into the back country to do those things. Those sports require you to know the people you go with, and the equiptment they have and their knowledge in the use of that equiptment. If I run into an obstacle on mile 20 of 21 that I can't do or get stuck, it means you drive back, be prepared to spend the night, have the means to hike out. When you get back home, then learn what you need to do next time, if its a winch get one. But Kyle's point, if you even have the question on needing a winch, probably don't need one is very good. Besides, when you need one posting a 'which winch' post is fun to see all the arguements between the best one...
Andy |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:00 pm: |
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Exactly Andy . It only takes one episode to inform you quite loudly that you should have a winch. If its happened ,you wouldnt be asking here.
Kyle |
ken nishikawa (Scubaman99)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:16 pm: |
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Hey Disco97...
here's a suggestion that im sure Kyle will agree with!!!!
Aluminum Bridges!!!
Why are they better you ask...
1. they dont cost $1200!
2. there is no cable to snap back and kill you
3. if your battery dies... they still work
4. they are lighter then a winch bumper and winch
5. there are no moving parts to break
6. you can easily remove them, when you want your ride to look more "civilized"
7. the "learning curve to use them is very shallow
8. they are less work then "jack all's" or "high lifts"
9. Kyle swears by them!!!
and the top reason to use bridges instead of buying a winch bumper and winch!!!!
10. they can double as a grill when you "get where your going"!!!
CHECK IT OUT!!!
http://www.discoweb.org/hollister7/hollister39_.jpg |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:33 pm: |
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I agree , go with the ramps... Ramps are always popular no matter if you are in a parking lot , at the twist off or in the woods.... Great choice...
Kyle |
Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:54 pm: |
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I'm with Kyle on this one. You will know if you need one when you get stuck. If you are stuck in two inches of muddy grass, you need a Honda. If you are stuck in 12 inches of mud in the bottom of a rocky ravine, you could use some stickers and a roof rack, but a winch would help.
Cheers,
Kennith |
Dee
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:54 pm: |
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Ok Kyle, i am confused "I agree , go with the ramps..." the was a string that Neal started asking about Ramps werent you were were oposed to Ramps Bridges, 6ft Barbques?. As for me I would like a set if for nothing else not to hump rocks around |
Leslie N. Bright (Leslie)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 03:58 pm: |
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Dee,
Sarcasm. Dripping with......
-L |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:04 pm: |
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Well Dee , it doesnt really matter what you have to say and what merit it holds. WHat a person "Needs" is relative to what has happened to them so far in life. So , my new policy is to just agree with everything.... Really and truley its just like the saying "If you have to ask how much , its probably too expensive". "If you have to ask if you "Need" it or not you probably dont" No sense in debating with someone who really wont get it until that day comes...
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:07 pm: |
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Damm kyle i was not tryiing to flame you just did not undersand your opinion. Chill.
"it doesnt really matter what you have to say and what merit it holds"
And thanks ill keep that in mind |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:10 pm: |
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lol , When I said that I didnt mean "You" personally , I mean , me , you , who ever.... I am completely chilled...
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:27 pm: |
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Whew for a minnute i though i was off your Christmas mailing list.
Cheers |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:34 pm: |
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Naaaa , its actually more relaxing to just agree and then picture this dude burried up to his ass in some stinking ass mud hole somewhere at dusk without a winch.... Ahhhh , lifes little pleasures....
Kyle |
Albert
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:38 pm: |
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Kyle, until when will this hold "new policy is to just agree with everything" LOL |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:43 pm: |
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Man
I am just going with the flow. They ask questions that they dont really want the real answers to..... Where have you been Mr eXtreeeme RVR ?
Kyle |
Dee
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:57 pm: |
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Kyle, People only want to be told what there ready or wanting too here.... and some are even too stubborn to listen then. Show them flash cards its easier |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 05:31 pm: |
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You ain't got not problem Kyle, I'm on the mother fucker. Go back in there, chill them niggas out and wait for the Winch who should be coming directly. |
kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 05:33 pm: |
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Hmm , well thats all you had to say Negro.....
Kyle |
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| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 05:35 pm: |
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Disco97
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 06:20 pm: |
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Kyle, i think you have a good advice of getting a winch regardless. I will do that if I can afford.
Thanks |
Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 06:51 pm: |
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Aluminum Bridges!!!
Why are they better you ask...
3. if your battery dies... they still work
LOL... If your battery dies what good will ramps be?
I agree ramps are good and so is most recovery gear. In my experience you can't have too much to get you out (or over) that situation. On a trip I took a few months ago I went out with 6 vehicles. Two had winches and I was the only vehicle that didn't need to use it on myself (I was lucky). But all the other vehicles got either strapped or winched. |
Milan
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 06:52 pm: |
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I liked a few comments here:
"If you are almost always with a group with others that can help you, then a winch is a waste of money (and if the other guy has one, then thats even better!). Now, if you like to go back into the woods a lot by yourself, I would suggest a winch."
I would suggest one if you wheel regularily alone or with friends. I hate it when people save money buy wasting mine. I don't mind pulling somebody out, even a stranger and especially a friend, but pulling by vehicle is hard on the drivetrain and pulling by winch is hard on the winch and electricals. Why should I waste my hard earned cash by constantly pulling that one truck whose owner is too stingy to buy a winch. I think you can start with a stock truck with no winch and have at least good tow points but there should be a time that you invest money to pull yourself out so your buddies don't have to pull you all the time. It might also be helpfull to have another winch in case the one that gets used a lot gives out (although this should not happen if you have the right winch and take care of it but shit happens).
I also like hand winches but not for pulling vehicles out of stucks. Even a moderate stuck may require more power than you can exert on a hand winch. You see, even if you have enough power in your arms to move the lever, the lines will twist enough to not let the ratchetting mechanism advance to the next 'click' and you go nowhere. Maybe the Euro/Aussie models work better in that respect but the come-along I have does not cut it. |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:43 pm: |
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Just when it was getting a bit boring, somebody had to pull "Pulp Fiction" out.......
"Is that really a five dollar shake? Just Milk and ice cream? Not a little Burbon? Well Shit!"
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I believe in being prepared, therefore a winch is on my Christmas List this year. Last thing I want to do is get stranded in BFE deliverance land and the locals want to do more than help me out. Also, there is nothing more annoying than that one guy who is always borrowing stuff. |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 08:00 pm: |
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well i hate to say it since i am pro winch
but a lot of you fellers are pretty stingy with your winches
if my friends cant afford one, we'll buy all means i'll pull em out. without a sweat.
i've been of roading and people seem to be afraid to volenteer there winch for use, maybe they are afraid of buring it up... i dunno.
maybe afraid of being responsible of doing damage to the stuck truck. i wont volenteer for just anyone , but if you seem cool and after i explain the rules to you... well let the winching begin.
i kind of think the thing needs some excersise everyonce in a while.
i also help relatives and friends with removing stumps and things. it's amazing how easliy it will tear a stump out.. and to think i used to hook up a come-a-long and use an ax.
rd |
Kyle
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 08:02 pm: |
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Paul it aint about the borrowing stuff. I assist my boys to my fullest potential with what ever I have on hand. BUT , you are taking a risk relying on others. I mentioned some of the things above but that list is very long. You will hear some horror stories about winches and people "Helping out". The ratio of people that have a winch and know what to do with it compared to the people that have it and dont know falls in favor of the people that dont know and they can lull you into a false sense of security and pretty much fuck your whole day up if they DONT know what they are doing. Winch education is very very important and I am not just talking about the fabled apendage removing cable injuries. There are many more likely things that can go wrong and they are only avoided with the proper knowledge. If you go out alone or with a group you are better served taking your own knowledge and your own winch... Thats my story and I am sticking to it...
Kyle |
niall forbes (Forbesn)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 08:06 pm: |
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As many have mentioned, you don't NEED one but it's a good idea if you can at all afford it. It really sucks when you try something you know you shouldn't and then get stuck like you knew you would but hoped you wouldn't, and then can't get yourself out. I remember one time I got my Rover stuck in a huge snowbank behind a McDonalds of all places during the worst snow storm of the year. I had a winch but it was not hooked up (moron!!) and it took me four or five hours before I could convince anyone to pull me out.
I think my list of upgrades would go in the following order. Of course it will be different for different people, but here you go.
1.RECOVERY GEAR - if you don't have proper recovery points and gear, just stay home, okay?
2.Lift - not necessary but most will want a mild lift.
3.Tires
4.Winch - Depending on how "road" your road tires are, 3 and 4 could swap places
5.Underbody protection
6.Lockers if you want them. Whatever other goodies you want.
This order lets you work into things gradually. It will depend a lot on where you wheel and who you wheel with. Here on the east coast there is a lot of mud so maybe a winch is more important (?). If you wheel with a bunch of guys with lockers all the time, you'll be better off to get lockers sooner so you can keep up with them. They'll be more annoyed if you're always getting stuck, even if you can recover yourself, than if you get stuck occasionally when they do but can't winch yourself out.
Anyway, Kyle said it best. If you have to ask, you probably don't need one YET but it wouldn't hurt if you can swing the cash.
That's my opinion. Probably worth what you paid for it. |
Paul D. Morgan (V22guy)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 08:09 pm: |
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"fabled apendage removing cable injuries"
Yeah, that doesn't sound good. I read you loud and clear. |
Michael Noe (Noee)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 08:52 pm: |
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Shit son, I used to camp on the Chattooga River all the time, right at Ellicot's Rock, NC, SC, GA border. We knew two of the rangers and a handfull of locals. No squealin' from that group! |
Jay Hobbs (Jayxd)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:55 pm: |
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I think a winch/bullbar combo should follow the modification list behind tires/lift. If you do any amount of off-roading it is just a good piece of equipment to have. I think, for the most part, an individual should be responsible for being able to get themselves unstuck. Or better yet - keeping themselves from getting stuck. I don't have a winch but have lockers front and rear (wish I had done a winch/bumper combro first though) so I get stuck less, but I also don't try mudholes and other obstacles because I don't assume that someone else should have to bother with pulling me out if I don't make it. If someone offers to free me before hand then I will make a run - just my philosophy. Most guys I know with a winch don't mind helping but it can be very dangerous and costly so being considerate of others property is important. |
Milan
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 11:48 am: |
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See guys, and this is what I'm talking about. Some of you put tires, lift and lockers before a winch. I always see these as things getting you farther in but not necessarily out. The winch is what gets you out so it would be higher on my priority list. In fact if I were to use Niall's list I'd go in the order of 1,4,5,2,3,6.
I realize that different wheeling may warrant different priorities, but the first 3 items seem pretty basic to me and needed regardles of where you wheel.
I'm also not stingy with my winch albeit a bit lazy when it comes to using it (I tend to try other things first but only when I think those other things are quicker and I think they should work). However, there are types of "stingy" people that don't get their own winch/tires/lift or whatever even though they "need" them every time out. I'm not talking about a buddy with less $$ (coincidentally bought a winch as one of his first mods). I'm talking about those sneaks having other "expensive" stuff on their vehicles but always wheeling with somebody who has a winch. They do this because they "need one but can't afford it". BS! Besides you can pick up a cheap winch if you buy used, so I don't really see a point in saving money there. Same goes for pulling people in general. I think hard pulls are tough on the drivetrain and if somebody is stuck hard a winch (preferably their own ) should be used.
Don't fret over this, I'm ranting because I don't think I'm stingy and I realize other people have other ideas and priorities. I get disagreements even from the people I wheel with (usually those without a winch ). |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:11 pm: |
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you make a good point, if i come across a truck with garbage hanging all over it, custom 40" boggers on beadlock rims and no winch that needs my assistance.. hehe well. i make i'd make him beg.
rd |
p m
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:52 pm: |
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i think it is really dependent on where do you wheel and who do you wheel with.
a whole lot of trails in SW are rocky dry creek beds; of course a winch will get your open-diff'ed truck through, but most likely your frustrated locked wheeling friends will hook up a strap and just tow you the entire stretch.
peter |
Dee
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:01 pm: |
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PM that big opening on your ARB is for a winch not an Ice Chest.. You need to get one so next time Pepe breaks down you can pull me out.... LOL |
Kyle
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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Well , I can recall telling two young bastards repeatedly that they should get one. They didnt think it was needed ofcourse so they didnt get one. I still recall the day clearly that all of that changed. Roberto ? Perhaps you wanna share ?
Kyle |
Andy
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:26 pm: |
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I was under the impression that if you do a winch bumper combination you really need to upgrade your suspension to deal with the weight added. Even with just a winch, don't you need to add springs to at least carry the weight? Also wouldn't it be prudent to add recover points and invest in recovery equiptment. I looked at those factors when I decided on what to modify first on my disco. I stopped at the level of winch, lockers, underside protection because I don't think I'm ready yet. You have to be somewhere to be stuck to get stuck and for my use I haven't gotten to that point yet. My thoughts are still look at your needs.
Andy 95 d1 |
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:31 pm: |
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LOL Dee,
you're right on, the winch is the only traction aid for the rangie that i can think of. the disco manages to get a bit farther on its own
For whatever it's worth -
anyone here tried to pull the disco from the bottomless snow with a hi-lift? let me tell you - it doesn't work.
peter |
Rob Davison (Pokerob)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 05:33 pm: |
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the story goes like this kyle..
you winched me and thump all damn day and night and had to give heater some help when her supersmoker died.
now.. you keep forgetting that i had an ARB winch ready bumper.. just no winch , why? no money, i had always planned on the winch. now i bought one soon after that incident, more so because i didn't want to hear you bitch than because it was pertinent.
rd
about to be winchless again. |
brian friend
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:03 am: |
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HHHmmm.........when deciding priorities I always get whatever I needed last trip. Now I really realy need sliders. Those nasty dents cost me $30k because now i have to replace my wifes disco with a purely undented one. Hell, at least I now have a trail truck......hhhmmmm, thinking..hand on chin . .........trail truck??? Trail trucks don't need sliders, I need bridges now that there duality is known to me. (grilling with them is a really cool idea)
Brian Friend |
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