The Kooks are Back

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If you're not interested in the case, Scott, just stay out of it. Clearly you're not because you're wrong in your thinking. If you were following the case you would understand where the feds have lied and covered up evidence, making the feds look like they were just doing what was right. That can't be further from the truth. The feds were the aggressors. That's why this is in court. That's why the media has started paying attention.
 
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This guy is a bit, umm, unique, but he makes great points from time-to-time and gives good updates. He's in the courtroom. He's a good source for what's going on that the mainstream media does not report.

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SGaynor

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So that guy on the highway aiming at the Feds was doing what? Just out for a stroll and he wanted a better view of what was going on so he used his scope?

And, how were the Feds the aggressors? Taking Bundy's cattle off of BLM land? How is that being aggressive? If you dog is on my land, and I collar him and put him in my house - how is that me being aggressive?

Hmmm...maybe calling every kook in the land to take up arms against the feds, who were executing a warrant from a Federal judge, is "being aggressive."

Your " lied and covered up evidence" consists of having an FBI response team on stand-by, but not actually there (again - more aggressive fed behavior!) or having cameras set up for surveillance is what crime? What cover up?

Minor points against the main point: The Bundys think they don't have to pay the Feds grazing rights. They haven't paid them in decades. he lost his fight and was ordered to remove the cattle. When he didn't, an order was issued for them to be removed by the Feds. When the Feds did that, Bundy and Co. threatened them with violence.

They are kooks who think the highest authority in the US is the county sheriff.

And, I'm not interested in the case? Who started this thread?

The media is paying attention? Really? What news organization has this as their lead item?
 
D Chapman

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SGaynor said:
So that guy on the highway aiming at the Feds was doing what? Just out for a stroll and he wanted a better view of what was going on so he used his scope?

And, how were the Feds the aggressors? Taking Bundy's cattle off of BLM land? How is that being aggressive? If you dog is on my land, and I collar him and put him in my house - how is that me being aggressive?

Hmmm...maybe calling every kook in the land to take up arms against the feds, who were executing a warrant from a Federal judge, is "being aggressive."

Your " lied and covered up evidence" consists of having an FBI response team on stand-by, but not actually there (again - more aggressive fed behavior!) or having cameras set up for surveillance is what crime? What cover up?

Minor points against the main point: The Bundys think they don't have to pay the Feds grazing rights. They haven't paid them in decades. he lost his fight and was ordered to remove the cattle. When he didn't, an order was issued for them to be removed by the Feds. When the Feds did that, Bundy and Co. threatened them with violence.

They are kooks who think the highest authority in the US is the county sheriff.

And, I'm not interested in the case? Who started this thread?

The media is paying attention? Really? What news organization has this as their lead item?
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Scott, if you were paying any attention at all, you would know by now that even before the stand-off there were snipers focused on the Bundy ranch. This is fact. This is evidence admitted to this newest trial.
What news organization has this as their lead item?
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NPR and Fox. This past weekend.
 
SGaynor

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D Chapman said:
This guy is a bit, umm, unique, but he makes great points from time-to-time and gives good updates. He's in the courtroom. He's a good source for what's going on that the mainstream media does not report.

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You and Brian must be dating. You both know the "truth."

First off, this guy makes a lot of statements about the truth is going to come out...yet, doesn't say what that is. Lots of generalities, no specifics. Ironic how he talks about people not having critical thinking ability.:smilelol:

The point of that article is that the parallel universe is the conspiracy theorists. That the information people are pointing to as "truth" comes from sites with no factual basis, theories, and hit on emotional chords. Basically, a lot of sweeping generalities, and no specifics.

No wonder the Russian media play was so effective.

From the NPR article:
"The narrative among Bundy supporters is that the government is not presenting the truth and it's very difficult to know that truth and therefore why should men be convicted on things we can't know," said Tay Wiles, associate editor at High Country News, a western environmental magazine.

Wiles is a regular in the courtroom alongside reporters from mainstream outlets like The Los Angeles Times and The Wall Street Journal. But there are also some of the Bundy movement's early promoters: people from far-right Internet talk shows and conspiracy websites identifying themselves as media. Friends of the Bundys regularly livestream updates to their followers during breaks in the trial (no cameras or recorders are allowed in federal court).
 
D Chapman

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SGaynor said:
You and Brian must be dating. You both know the "truth."

First off, this guy makes a lot of statements about the truth is going to come out...yet, doesn't say what that is. Lots of generalities, no specifics. Ironic how he talks about people not having critical thinking ability.:smilelol:

The point of that article is that the parallel universe is the conspiracy theorists. That the information people are pointing to as "truth" comes from sites with no factual basis, theories, and hit on emotional chords. Basically, a lot of sweeping generalities, and no specifics.

No wonder the Russian media play was so effective.
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He's talking about evidence they knew about, that the prosecution denied yet later admitted into evidence. That's why the trial was delayed. Try and keep up.
 
emmodg

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Dan - you are obsessed with these people. What’s the source of infatuation? Have you had BLM issues? Trouble finding enough land for your livestock to graze on? Thinking about abandoning any potential tax obligations? Where you in shoot out with federal officers that didn’t go your way? Thinking about organizing an occupation of Shenandoah National Park? Pesky snipers on your property?

You’ll have to forgive me if I seems rather hesitant on displaying any sympathy for this fine family. You see, I believe that if you find federal snipers on your property and fire fights with federal agents not out of the ordinary, you may have done something wrong.

And juust so I’m as learned as you regarding these patriots - were they completely innocent and law abiding pilgrims only to find themselves chosen at random for a government frame up? These people have spotless records and proven to be pillars and model citizens? Have you thought about a go fund me page for them?
 
SGaynor

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LOL. Here's your alternate universe at work.

#PostTruthWorld

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/932579767202844672

Trump voter panelist: "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, 'Hold on a second. I need to check with the President if it's true.'"
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More alternate universe where where everything is fake, nothing is real. Only those blessed few who "know" really know what's going on. The rest of us are asleep. :rolleyes:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science...ws-seems-to-question-the-moon-landing/546431/
 
emmodg

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All the fake news in the world and Dan has the market cornered on "real news" as it pertains to the Great American Bundy Family!
 
seventyfive

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over there
dasniel,

bundy was asking for it.

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D Chapman

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Maybe this will make it easier to understand.

Those Charged:
Cliven Bundy - Currently on trial

Ryan C. Bundy - Acquitted. Currently on trail. Again

Ammon E. Bundy - Acquitted. Currently on trial. Again

Ryan W. Payne - pleaded guilty to conspiracy (awaiting sentencing) On trail currently.

Peter T. Santilli Jr. - pleaded guilty to conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer. (released from jail) (pending sentencing)

Melvin D. Bundy - Tier 2 trial

David H. Bundy - Tier 2 trial

Brian D. Cavalier - guilty misdemeanor conspiring to impede federal workers

Blaine Cooper - plea deal, assault on a federal officer (awaiting sentencing)

Gerald A. Delemus - plea deal, force and aggression

Eric J. Parker - misdemeanor obstruction of a court order (probation)

O. Scott Drexler - misdemeanor obstruction of a court order (probation)

Richard R. Lovelien - acquitted

Steven A. Stewart - acquitted

Todd C. Engel - guilty of obstruction of justice and interstate travel to aid extortion (awaiting sentencing)

Gregory P. Burleson - guilty of assault on a federal officer, using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction, extortion. (68 years prison)

Joseph D. O'Shaughnessy - pleaded guilty to conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Micah L. McGuire - Tier 2 trial

Jason D. Woods - Tier 2 trial

Shawna Cox - acquitted

Travis Cox - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor conspiring to impede federal workers through intimidation (2 years probation)

Jeff Banta - acquitted

Kenneth Medenbach - acquitted

David Lee Fry - acquitted

Neil Wampler - acquitted

Scott Alan Willingham - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor one theft of government property (stealing cameras). (time served)

Michael Ray Emry - guilty to possessing a machine gun illegally (30 months in jail)

Jason Patrick - guilty of felony conspiracy, convicted of misdemeanor trespass, tampering with vehicles and equipment and destruction of government property (awaiting sentencing)

Duane Ehmer - guilty of willfully damaging the refuge, convicted of misdemeanor trespass and tampering with vehicles and equipment. (awaiting sentencing)

Darryl Thorn - guilty of conspiracy and possession of firearms in a federal facility, convicted of misdemeanor trespass and tampering with vehicles and equipment (awaiting sentencing)

Jake Ryan - guilty of willfully damaging the refuge, convicted of misdemeanor trespass and tampering with vehicles and equipment (awaiting sentencing)

Jon Ritzheimer - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Wesley Kjar - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Jason Blomgren - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Geoffrey Stanek - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Corey Lequieu - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Eric Lee Flores - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Dylan Anderson - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor trespass (1 year probation)

Sean Anderson - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor trespass (1 year probation)

Sandra Anderson - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor trespass (1 year probation)

Those acquitted in October 2016:
Ryan Bundy
Ammon Bundy
Shawna Cox
Jeff Banta
Kenneth Medenbach
David Lee Fry
Neil Wampler

Those acquitted in February 2017:
Ricky Lovelien
Steven Stewart
Scott Drexler*
Eric Parker*
*Later plea guilty to other charges

On Trial November 2017:
Cliven Bundy
Ryan Bundy
Ammond Bundy
Ryan Payne

Tier 2 trial tentatively scheduled for January 2018
Melvin Bundy
David Bundy
Jason D. Woods
Micah L. McGuire
 
SGaynor

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D Chapman said:
Maybe this will make it easier to understand.

Those Charged:
Cliven Bundy - Currently on trial

Ryan C. Bundy - Acquitted. Currently on trail. Again

Ammon E. Bundy - Acquitted. Currently on trial. Again

Ryan W. Payne - pleaded guilty to conspiracy (awaiting sentencing) On trail currently.

Peter T. Santilli Jr. - pleaded guilty to conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer. (released from jail) (pending sentencing)

Melvin D. Bundy - Tier 2 trial

David H. Bundy - Tier 2 trial

Brian D. Cavalier - guilty misdemeanor conspiring to impede federal workers

Blaine Cooper - plea deal, assault on a federal officer (awaiting sentencing)

Gerald A. Delemus - plea deal, force and aggression

Eric J. Parker - misdemeanor obstruction of a court order (probation)

O. Scott Drexler - misdemeanor obstruction of a court order (probation)

Richard R. Lovelien - acquitted

Steven A. Stewart - acquitted

Todd C. Engel - guilty of obstruction of justice and interstate travel to aid extortion (awaiting sentencing)

Gregory P. Burleson - guilty of assault on a federal officer, using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction, extortion. (68 years prison)

Joseph D. O'Shaughnessy - pleaded guilty to conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Micah L. McGuire - Tier 2 trial

Jason D. Woods - Tier 2 trial

Shawna Cox - acquitted

Travis Cox - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor conspiring to impede federal workers through intimidation (2 years probation)

Jeff Banta - acquitted

Kenneth Medenbach - acquitted

David Lee Fry - acquitted

Neil Wampler - acquitted

Scott Alan Willingham - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor one theft of government property (stealing cameras). (time served)

Michael Ray Emry - guilty to possessing a machine gun illegally (30 months in jail)

Jason Patrick - guilty of felony conspiracy, convicted of misdemeanor trespass, tampering with vehicles and equipment and destruction of government property (awaiting sentencing)

Duane Ehmer - guilty of willfully damaging the refuge, convicted of misdemeanor trespass and tampering with vehicles and equipment. (awaiting sentencing)

Darryl Thorn - guilty of conspiracy and possession of firearms in a federal facility, convicted of misdemeanor trespass and tampering with vehicles and equipment (awaiting sentencing)

Jake Ryan - guilty of willfully damaging the refuge, convicted of misdemeanor trespass and tampering with vehicles and equipment (awaiting sentencing)

Jon Ritzheimer - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Wesley Kjar - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Jason Blomgren - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Geoffrey Stanek - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Corey Lequieu - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Eric Lee Flores - pleaded guilty to felony conspiracy (awaiting sentencing)

Dylan Anderson - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor trespass (1 year probation)

Sean Anderson - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor trespass (1 year probation)

Sandra Anderson - pleaded guilty to misdemeanor trespass (1 year probation)

Those acquitted in October 2016:
Ryan Bundy
Ammon Bundy
Shawna Cox
Jeff Banta
Kenneth Medenbach
David Lee Fry
Neil Wampler

Those acquitted in February 2017:
Ricky Lovelien
Steven Stewart
Scott Drexler*
Eric Parker*
*Later plea guilty to other charges

On Trial November 2017:
Cliven Bundy
Ryan Bundy
Ammond Bundy
Ryan Payne

Tier 2 trial tentatively scheduled for January 2018
Melvin Bundy
David Bundy
Jason D. Woods
Micah L. McGuire
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Well, let's see...that's more than 19 defendants (I'm assuming your mixing the NV and the OR cases together? others as well?

And, how do you get zero convictions? You might want to work on that math.

D Chapman said:
19 defendants. Zero convictions. Two completed trials. You tell me.
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SGaynor

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D Chapman said:
Of the two trials, February 2017 and Oct. 2016, no convictions. All acquittals.
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Way to cherry pick data.

They still broke the law. People still went to jail. Stop acting like the gov't is on the ropes and losing all these trials.

Maybe that's what your video bloggers are telling you in your alternate universe, but back here on earth...
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D Chapman

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I have a feeling the Bundy's will walk. As for Ryan Payne, he may be fucked. We'll see.

Reid family been quite. Harry has probably chewed his fingernails to the quick. Sessions is staying on the sidelines for a reason.
 
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