How many people have actually been stranded due to DII electrical problems?

[Justin Kurosaki]

I wouldn't make exceptions for the CkPS. I've had plenty of vehicles with crank sensors and I've never had one go bad -- only the DII.

That being said, even my bad CkPS still didn't leave me stranded for more than 5 minutes. Though those were a painful 5 minutes of being stranded in the middle of rush hour traffic (twice!).

 

[RBBailey]

I've found that all Rovers have bad quality/broken stuff issues -- but that they break slowly, rarely leave you stranded, and give you plenty of warning that something is going to happen. The only time I've actually been stranded was when the '65 was constantly sucking dirt into the fuel line from the ancient fuel tank, so it would occasionally just die, then start again after a while. Once, it ran out of batteries before it could restart.

The other time I was stranded was when the oil pump exploded on the '03.

 

[rovercanus]

That's funny Tom, because I've been out a couple of times with D1's that got stuck either during or after water crossings. Of course these weren't Camel Trophy prepped trucks.

 

[JohnK]

That's funny Tom, because I've been out a couple of times with D1's that got stuck either during or after water crossings. Of course these weren't Camel Trophy prepped trucks.

Where's Marco?

 

[antichrist]

That's funny Tom, because I've been out a couple of times with D1's that got stuck either during or after water crossings.

300 Tdi's?

 

[rovercanus]

No Tom , not 300 tdi's and being in the states you know that. What I was trying to achieve with this thread and I believe I accomplished it, is that the perceived electical problems with D2's are just that, perceived.

 

[antichrist]

Well, there are some 300Tdi discos in the states, admittedly not many.
However, what I was addressing was the stupidity of building a vehicle ostensibly designed for off-road use, then making it wholly, or in part ,dependent on electrical components (than can be permanently fried by water) to get you home.

 

[pdogg]

Well, there are some 300Tdi discos in the states, admittedly not many.
However, what I was addressing was the stupidity of building a vehicle ostensibly designed for off-road use, then making it wholly, or in part ,dependent on electrical components (than can be permanently fried by water) to get you home.

You live in the United States... we have pollution laws that require OBDII and fuel injection.. why do you think they pulled the defender out before 1996?

You'll never be able to buy a non-electronic vehicle in this country again..

 

[antichrist]

Land Rover puts most of the same crap on ROW vechicles as well.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Any internal combustion engine would be destroyed by *ingesting* water Tom. Would you suggest LR should put steam engines in their vehicles instead?

I mean seriously, I'd be satisfied with just a decent level of water proofing of the electrics. Use GM weatherproof connectors at the least.

Frankly, they designed the vehicle for a 24" water fording depth, which is double what Ford did for their trucks, for example. I'd like to know if anybody has killed a Disco at 24" or less. I doubt it.

The simple fact is, we are expecting LR to build a vehicle capable of crossing insane water depths, and that's just not realistic. I mean, come on. The vehicle is very capable of reasonable off-road travel. If you want more than that, buy an Argo.

 

[GYM]

.. why do you think they pulled the defender out before 1996?

Huh?

 

[pdogg]

Huh?

sorry, 1997 was last US model ... I think the Airbags regulation was part of the issue also...

but hey, they introduced the Freelander that year right ?? even trade ??!!

 

[antichrist]

Any internal combustion engine would be destroyed by *ingesting* water Tom. Would you suggest LR should put steam engines in their vehicles instead?

This was my post

You should be able to have it in water up to the roof line and be able to drive it once you get it out and blow the water out of the cylinders.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

And if the diesel bent a rod when it ingested water?

I just think you're expecting too much. Why do you have an expectation that a road worthy vehicle should be able to be submerged to the roof line?

 

[antichrist]

And if the diesel bent a rod when it ingested water?

If you have a snorkle and keep the engine running it won't ingest water. See the photo above.

In any case, I'm not saying all land rovers should be capable of that, but we should at least have the option. The current crop of Land Rovers don't even allow for that.
Once I get the 300Tdi in my D90, I will have that option.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Ah, well yes, I'd agree the current crop definitely have gone too far, and I think the sales figures prove that. I feel the Disco is a pretty good compromise (they designed it with 24" fording, as opposed to 12" for most American 4x4's) and the rest of the world had the option to buy a diesel Defender if they wanted more capability.

I think a proper electrical system can withstand complete submerging. You just need sensors with decent s/n and connectors with decent sealing.

I just did an Enduro with multiple 24-36" water crossings. This is a high strung, high rpm gasoline motor, and the electrics are robust enough to take any amount of water. As long as you keep the airbox dry, it runs. No problem at all.

It can be done with a gasoline engine, they just have to decide to spend the extra couple bucks on connectors, etc. Electricity is not the problem, poor weatherproofing is.