Yeah, because everyone ever released on bail (or even own recognizance) was eventually found innocent.
Like I said...slow your roll.
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Yeah, because everyone ever released on bail (or even own recognizance) was eventually found innocent.
Like I said...slow your roll.
You're exactly right. So why was it that the courts were hell bent on keeping Cliven, Ryan and Ammond in jail for so long? It's because the feds painted this picture of just how dangerous the Bundy's are. Time-and-time again the defense has tried to get pre-trial release and the Judge has said no. She's been a real bitch for sure and the last trial was a testament to that.
This is nothing but great news for the Bundy's. No doubt about it.
Today was a sealed hearing so no one really knows why the Judge changed her mind. Speculation is that the defense found, yet again, that the feds were withholding even more evidence. Again. It's also rumored the defense is currently preparing a motion to dismiss.
Not sure what this has to do with anything - other than an FBI agent trying to hide the fact that he fucked up. And if he lied (looks like he did) - he'll be fucked. But he didn't shoot Fincum in cold blood which is what I'm assuming you're trying to say
From the article:
Astarita is accused of firing two shots at Finicum or his truck and then lying about it. The shots didn't hurt Finicum. State police fatally shot Finicum a short time later.
Oh, and grand jury testimony is sealed, so you don't know what those agents testified too. (I forgot - you have special connections into closed court room proceedings)
as you said earlier:
Which means you completely ignore the fact that they took over a federal facility, armed, and threatened the feds if they tried to remove them. Oh, and then ran a roadblock and tried to evade the police/FBI.
Your view: Nope. These guys were just out on a Sunday drive, minding their own business when the big, bad police/FBI just started shooting at them. No reason whatsoever.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Wrong about the car getting shot at before stopping? Guess I was.
Although I never claimed to have inside knowledge, knew for sure that no shots were fired.
And what is this with the agent showing? Two shots were fired; one appears to have gone through the roof of Fincum's car. Neither hit him, or anyone else.
He was shot by the OR State Police - they've been cleared and justified - as proved by ballistics.
Here's what I said:
But you (on pages 5-6) and just now insist that he shouldn't have been pulled over at all.
So...I still stand by my statement: He was breaking the law, refused to pull over, was known to be armed, and when got out of the car said, "You're gonna have to shoot me," then reached into his jacket.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Tell me how I'm wrong on that?
The only part that isn't (potentially) legal was lying about shooting.
Had he just said he was engaging the target for fear of his life or those around him this almost certainly wouldn't be an issue.
Hence why the Oregon State Troopers who shot him aren't facing consequences.
I know reading is hard, but can you show me how
Astarita, who continues to work for the FBI in an administrative role, was indicted in late June and has pleaded not guilty to three counts of making a false statement and two counts of obstruction of justice.
He is accused of concealing from Oregon investigators that he fired his rifle and lying to three supervisory FBI agents about his shots.
says anything about being charged for discharging his firearm, let alone pointing it at someone (aka assault. You know, what the Bundys are currently on trial for)?
No, it actually isn't 'like' that; this was a legal use of force but covered up during the investigation (that thing that shows they are accountable). It was covered up likely b/c the HRT guy was jumpy and shouldn't have discharged his weapon without a clear target-not that he wasn't justified in using lethal force.
What's commendable is the professionals there didn't smoke everyone in the car given their posture and rhetoric throughout the escapade.
If there is an intimation on your part about knowing something about shooting folks in the back; sure-it happens in my world (which isn't law enforcement). Guess what, nobody cares so long as the use of forces was appropriate under the ROE. Right off the top of my head I can think of several examples of shooting people in the back while they emplaced IEDs, was that wrong in your eyes? Real life isn't a movie with white hats and shit.
So, Dan...What do you think about this guy? Jury found him innocent. Do you believe the gun "just went off?"
I assume you'd be totally cool with this.
Kate Steinle case: Trump in Twitter fury as jury acquits illegal immigrant charged in San Francisco killing
I assume you'd be totally cool with this.
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It was covered up because it was wrong. They just got caught. Seems to be a lot of that going on with this case.
Don't know anything about it.
Sounds like the bullet hit the ground, bounced up and hit the girl. I don't believe that would be 1st Degree. Perhaps manslaughter? I don't know any details.
True, it was wrong for an HRT agent to fire his weapon inadvertently and then lie about having done so.
The lie was likely because, as what is supposed to be a highly trained SWAT team member, better fire control discipline is expected. Had he decided to fire it on purpose and hit the target, probably wouldn't be an issue.
So yes, it was wrong-but I don't think that's why you think it was wrong.
Court resumed this morning. The Jury was sent home until Wednesday over allegations of misconduct by the prosecution. Getting juicier.
Word on the street this is a result of a Brady violation. Not just one Brady violation. Not two. Not three. Not even five. But seven Brandy violations.
Looking like the case may be dismissed with prejudice - meaning the case is dead and the Bundy's are free. We'll probably know by Wednesday.
https://thementalmilitia.net/2017/12/11/tale-two-trials-bundy-ranch-pentagon-papers/
Looking like the case may be dismissed with prejudice - meaning the case is dead and the Bundy's are free. We'll probably know by Wednesday.
https://thementalmilitia.net/2017/12/11/tale-two-trials-bundy-ranch-pentagon-papers/
The Bundys are in the same league as the people who released the Pentagon Papers? LOL. That's rich.