So yeah, if that LR3 went through this I'll give him props, but I have to think there are multiple lines. Because I ain't buying that LR3 went this way.
It's not just hard-core off-roaders that prefer the original. It's those who prefer slow and steady, who want to customize something to their needs, who enjoy hands-on mechanical work, who want a vehicle built for dirty work, who expect a hard working vehicle to be easily repairable, who enjoy the agricultural, industrial, expedition, and military history, who desire the cargo access or heightened senses of soft-top driving, or those who want fully understandable systems and can sense when all-is-well or not.
It's not just hard-core off-roaders that prefer the original. It's those who prefer slow and steady, who want to customize something to their needs, who enjoy hands-on mechanical work, who want a vehicle built for dirty work, who expect a hard working vehicle to be easily repairable, who enjoy the agricultural, industrial, expedition, and military history, who desire the cargo access or heightened senses of soft-top driving, who want no compromises made for the aspects they'd rather disregard, or those who want fully understandable systems and can sense when all-is-well or not.
That’s why they had solid axles and long travel suspension
retarded post.
Yes - the LR3 took the easy left hand path up that final stretch but the trail down below there was pretty tough.
You can see the pics here: https://solaros1.smugmug.com/Land-Rover-Events/UWHARRIE-SAFARI-Spring-2014/
And how many of those types of vehicles do you think would actually sell?It's not just hard-core off-roaders that prefer the original. It's those who prefer slow and steady, who want to customize something to their needs, who enjoy hands-on mechanical work, who want a vehicle built for dirty work, who expect a hard working vehicle to be easily repairable, who enjoy the agricultural, industrial, expedition, and military history, who desire the cargo access or heightened senses of soft-top driving, who want no compromises made for the aspects they'd rather disregard, or those who want fully understandable systems and can sense when all-is-well or not.
The 70 Series are only available in Africa, Australia (middle east too maybe?)...Because they have none of the emissions/safety equipment required in the US/EU. So how exactly do you get one?What would the modern equivalent look like? Combine the the modularity and off-road capability of a Wrangler, the no-bullshit industrial design of a base- model F250 work truck and you'd have something pretty damn close. It's hard not to refer to the current model Toyota 70 series as well, since it meets most of these criteria. It's even 5-star ANCAP safety rated now, for all you airbag pussies who whine about how old designs can't be updated sufficiently.
And how many of those types of vehicles do you think would actually sell?
The 70 Series are only available in Africa, Australia (middle east too maybe?)...Because they have none of the emissions/safety equipment required in the US/EU. So how exactly do you get one?
The facts remain: Y'all are pining for a vehicle that does not exist, and will not exist, in the NA/EU markets because the requirements put on those vehicles by government regulators and the buying public mean those vehicles can't exist, or won't sell.
My dad bought a bare bones Chevy pick up - new - in 1979. 3 on the column. Two wheel drive. Vinyl bench seat. No radio.
Try, just try, to buy a Toyota/Ford/Chevy/Dodge truck like that today. You can't.
Good point - we shall see with the Bronco. But I don't expect that market to "grow" because of the Bronco, they'll just take a share of the Jeep's.The Wrangler is the closest domestically available product, so I'd say quite well. We'll see how the Bronco does entering this space.
This was my exact point.We all know where it's sold, which is beside the point. It features curtain airbags, driver knee airbag, seat belt pre-tensioners, and ABS. The only reason Toyota chooses not to import it is obvious; they already offer two trucks and an SUV that cater to the lifestyle of westerners.
I did. 28,590 MSRP on the equivalent F150.
Good point - we shall see with the Bronco. But I don't expect that market to "grow" because of the Bronco, they'll just take a share of the Jeep's.
Yep, same as when the Bronco/Blazer first was introduced and Jeep was present. My guess is the new Bronco will sell very well and be really well equipped. And yes, I am a loyal Ford fan - “Friends don’t let friends drive Chevys”.I don't know that the numbers will be mind blowing but there will be a market besides just the Jeep crowd.
Honestly, the Defender might be called upon to defend nothing more than its mall parking space, and owners will be perfectly happy. For most, it’s enough just knowing the off-road capability is there.
After 23 Years, an All-New Land Rover Defender is Here
The new model is both luxurious and a serious off-roaderwww.barrons.com
If you are talking cargo door and visibility I'm sure it will be minimal, as it is on all SUV's/crossover's. Why do you think they all come with backup cams.
That’s actually that dumb group that lobbied to get cameras so kids can’t be backed over. Still happens, though. It is mandatory on new cars I’m pretty certain since 2018. Increases vehicle costs.
That may be, but I never look out the rear of the wife's Highlander when backing up because you can't see shit. Just use the camera. Listening to others complaining I assume they're all like that.