1983 Defender Title Issues?

[best4x4LR3]

Should I be weary of buying a 1983 Land Rover 110 that is titled as a 1980 109 here in the states? Any issues with this. Please let me know ASAP!

Thank you

Scott

 

[singingcamel]

Should I be weary of buying a 1983 Land Rover 110 that is titled as a 1980 109 here in the states? Any issues with this. Please let me know ASAP!

Thank you

Scott

do a search for gray market vehicles , this has been hashed over numerous times and there is some good info to consider..

 

[SteveA]

Yes!!!

I former client of mine bought a 110 that was registered and titled as a 109. Everything was fine until he was involved in an accident (not his fault). The police report listed a different VIN than his insurance company had on file. This raised all kinds of red flags. His insurance company immediately dropped him when they investigated the vehicle. He was then sued by his insurance company and the other drivers insurance company. The accident was not even his fault.

Stay away!!

 

[NorCal Relics]

No big deal now, it's 25 years old, should be titled as a 1983. Make sure the original vin stampings are correct and run them by your local DMV. Just don't run around with it registered with the wrong vin!

 

[ptschram]

No big deal now, it's 25 years old, should be titled as a 1983. Make sure the original vin stampings are correct and run them by your local DMV. Just don't run around with it registered with the wrong vin!

Good luck. It is hard enough to title a Land Rover to begin with. I can just imagine going into the DMV and saying"Geee, I have this truck that was illegally titled years ago and I want to surrender this title with this VIN and retitle it with the real VIN. Gee, I don't know where the correct title is and as a result, I really can't prove that it belongs to me".

Yeah, that's gonna go over REAL well! Lemme know how it works out.

 

[SteveA]

That's true. If it is actually an 83, it will be legal now. If it's properly titled and registered and the VIN is correct.

I didn't actually even read the year. I was focused on the issue of the vehicle being falsely titled.

 

[garrett]

These folks might be able to help if you local DMV won't.

http://www.its-titles.com/

 

[ptschram]

How are you going to prove legal ownership of the '83? You have a title to a vehicle you don't have and a vehicle you have with no title to that vehicle.

One might have to go to the MOT and see if they still have a V5 for the original vehicle and try to obtain an export document, but you still wouldn't have proof of the vehicle being imported.

Sounds like perpetuation of fraud to me.

OTOH, if this were to take place in a BOS state, one could obtain a BOS for the correct VIN and sell the 109 title to someone who was building a truck frame-up (wink, wink).

 

[galen216]

I've used ITS. You make up a bill of sale (they have a blank one there site) sell it from your friend to yourself, send in the info and you'll have a registration and license plate from Maine. Take that registration to the local DMV and have it transferred to your state. Since the original VIN was never registered in the US you now have a legal registered vehicle. Sell off the old title or detroy it. No big deal.

 

[galen216]

How are you going to prove legal ownership of the '83? You have a title to a vehicle you don't have and a vehicle you have with no title to that vehicle.

One might have to go to the MOT and see if they still have a V5 for the original vehicle and try to obtain an export document, but you still wouldn't have proof of the vehicle being imported.

Sounds like perpetuation of fraud to me.

OTOH, if this were to take place in a BOS state, one could obtain a BOS for the correct VIN and sell the 109 title to someone who was building a truck frame-up (wink, wink).

You don't have to prove any kind of ownership with ITS. I think you get one or two of the papers notarized to prove your signature and that is it.

It is so easy it almost doesn't seem right, but the company has been around for years and I know many people that have used them. In fact I know people bringing in trucks over 25 years use this service b/c it is easier than dealing with the DOT.

 

[grfa]

I don't know about your state, but NJ would NOT ACCEPT the paperwork from ITS titles. That was $200 or whatever down the drain. Make sure your state isn't as screwed up as NJ before you go through with it. I ended up having a friend use a different title service and register my truck in his state first.

 

[galen216]

grfa, I'm confused, there never should have been any paperwork from ITS to NJ. It's only a registration card. My registration was in my name. I transferred it from myself with a Maine registration to a PA title/registration.

Plus your truck was different. The way they do it is different pre-1974 versus 1974 and newer.

 

[globallandrovers]

Should I be weary of buying a 1983 Land Rover 110 that is titled as a 1980 109 here in the states? Any issues with this. Please let me know ASAP!

Thank you

Scott

Yes as its illeagal to ring vehicles in any country!

 

[globallandrovers]

How are you going to prove legal ownership of the '83? You have a title to a vehicle you don't have and a vehicle you have with no title to that vehicle.

One might have to go to the MOT and see if they still have a V5 for the original vehicle and try to obtain an export document, but you still wouldn't have proof of the vehicle being imported.

Sounds like perpetuation of fraud to me.

OTOH, if this were to take place in a BOS state, one could obtain a BOS for the correct VIN and sell the 109 title to someone who was building a truck frame-up (wink, wink).

Issuse we have had on 1983 trucks this year... these are real 1983 lr110's not fakes.
Appears as though I fairly well fucked on titling these two trucks.
1) Michelle's husband didn't sign the v5 or the bill of sal-ie the truck is still half his. - this was easily sorted as he didn't understand the V5 document
2) they want those signatures - sorted
3) the bill of sale you provided the shippers doesn't jive with any other paper work and they want to see a paper trail.
Ie how can you sell something you don't own to me. - we acted as an agent for this sale and the bill of sale was from the vendor and the shipping doc were from us, we provided all the relevant docs.
4) since Land rovers weren't imported from 1974 untill 1987 there is no data base of vin numbers here.
5) the want a build date letter from "Land Rover" not the motor heritage museum as that is not an affiliated entity. - this was sorted, took some time, I used a contact at the Lode lane factory site.

 

[msggunny]

Issuse we have had on 1983 trucks this year... these are real 1983 lr110's not fakes.
Appears as though I fairly well fucked on titling these two trucks.
1) Michelle's husband didn't sign the v5 or the bill of sal-ie the truck is still half his. - this was easily sorted as he didn't understand the V5 document
2) they want those signatures - sorted
3) the bill of sale you provided the shippers doesn't jive with any other paper work and they want to see a paper trail.
Ie how can you sell something you don't own to me. - we acted as an agent for this sale and the bill of sale was from the vendor and the shipping doc were from us, we provided all the relevant docs.
4) since Land rovers weren't imported from 1974 untill 1987 there is no data base of vin numbers here.
5) the want a build date letter from "Land Rover" not the motor heritage museum as that is not an affiliated entity. - this was sorted, took some time, I used a contact at the Lode lane factory site.

That sucks, what a pain in the ass.

When i brought over my 77 i had no problems in NC. They just sent a Trooper over to confirm the VIN (actually the chassis number since its a pre-vin vehicle) and took the paperwork to the DMV. Got a title and registration the same day.

O well, it makes for a good story later.