1998 Disco 1 Resto V2

p m

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David - FWIW, a Disco 1 (with all rattling bits taken care of) is a fairly quiet truck. Quieter than a Classic despite extra hundred pounds of sound insulation in a Classic. The roof that you covered with Dynamat actually needs something different - a cross-roof structural member that would prevent this big piece of steel to flop up and down; the trucks with the rear sunroof installed suffer a little less from this. A slab of Dynamat will do something, but not a whole lot, to take care of this issue.

I wouldn't have paid attention to the headlamp mounts if Joel didn't point them out - it is worth a chuckle indeed. Takes less than 20 seconds to remove them prior to paint.
 

atlcruiser

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I will look into the roof issue....had not thought of that. Agree on the headlight mounts but they are being replaced anyways. Once I realized the guys had not pulled them it was too late!
 

JAKD-UP

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Well save the headache of everybody questioning your motives and post what you plan to do in order, some of us are wondering Wtf is all this work leading to
 

crown14

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Could there be a different issue here seeing as you have sold trucks before....trucks much like this...and..since we are in the same geographical area there might be some perceived issue that you have with us? Could that part of the reason for the kind words?
I have no idea what you are hinting at, but I can tell you that whatever it is, you are wrong.

Since you don't know what we are actually doing, how we are doing it and you are only seeing a part of what we are doing there seems to be a bunch of conclusions you are jumping to!
I have not jumped to any conclusions, it is plain as day what you are doing. You are showing the world what you are doing, and somehow you are proud of it? One can only imagine how shoddy the things you weren't proud enough to share with us must be.

Get back to the shop, Mad Mike and Ish need help

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atlcruiser

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Wow, you sir are a jackass!

Please feel free to visit the over 5 gigs of pictures that we have of projects dating back a number of years.
 

atlcruiser

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Motives:
to build a cool truck that I like. Post pics of the build to both show off a bit as well as to try and get a feel for what work is appreciated and what work is not. So far that is working well. As mentioned the truck is basically a spec build. We have built a number of discos but non quite like this. Part if this process is a learning process for me. For example....just learned what a jackass crown14 is :) I personally wanted to build this. If it goes to the customer great. If not then I will keep it. In full disclosure it could go for sale eventually. Not sure on that.

Process :

Interior basic, motor removal engine compartment finish work, clean underside, all bushings replaced, Waxoyl, replace suspension, replace brakes, prep 300tdi, fit 300tdi, build new AC to mate correctly, install 300, drive and enjoy. There might be some morE body work, we are building some bumpers, thinking on stereo...

We build lots of trucks and we have done so for many years. If there is a feeling among people that things can and should be done differently I am all ears.


If this thread is going downhill I really could give a crap. All i really wanted to do was to participate in the forum and show a neat build. Considering most forums are for the open exchange of info I have a hard time with some things here.

In the grand scheme of what we do this is just one part, a part I am excited about but just one part.
 
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crown14

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I'm sorry if the feedback I am providing for you does not come across as blind praise, I am simply not capable of wrapping my head around the details of your project. If you will take my input/questions seriously I am willing to try again...

You are considering a 300TDI, so curb weight of your finished product needs to be a primary concern. The Disco is already a little too heavy for that engine, if you have driven a D90/110 with one and a Disco with one you would understand a few hundred pounds here does make a difference. If you are planning on heavier bumpers also, and perhaps armor, you need to keep your added weight to a minimum.

Regarding noise levels... I would understand dynamat in the doors and perhaps certain floor/roof areas. OR pulling the entire interior and spraying quietcar. Doing both is excessive not only in the time/cost areas but a huge red WTF in the weight column... and the added benefit of doing both? I mean, honestly, is there any at all except for maybe inside the doors? Did you spray quietcar inside the doors?
Also, why didn't you pull the dash out when you pulled the rest of the interior? "There is a reason for the order of work" Maybe, but it is starting to look like a lot of this is being rushed through? The end result is you have insulated the entire vehicle except the interior of the firewall- where it would benefit you the most. I will applaud you for doing the seam sealer though, that is exactly what I do.

Headliner- again, added weight, and more work than reupholstering.

I fully respect your right to remove the door/body moldings if you want. Just curious, did you TIG the holes in the door skins or just bondo? Wait, I found the pic, looks like you bondo'd them after you put the dynamat inside if the doors?
 

atlcruiser

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Last thing I want is blind praise.

Dash: obviously not removed. We removed all we could and got all the way up there with dynamat and some raptor. We could have removed it and even thought about that but decided against it. The firewall is all dynamat on the engine side.

I get your point on the quiet car but you never asked the question as to why. Quietcar does not weight much at all once the water evaporates. I see very little weight gain from the quietcar! Mayb 5 lbs. We spray the quietcar on top of the dynamat to give a more uniform sound proofing. In other trucks we did we did not do that and found some funny loud areas. We also really concentrate the quietcar in those areas not covered by the dynamat. The interior looks uniform in a picture but if you were to actually look at the truck you would see a very light coat of the QC on the dynamat and a multi, thick coat on the sheetmetal areas.

Raptor on top of dynamat? Not quite as redundant as you made it out to be. Again, we have been doing this a while so we can see how some of this work fairs long term in real world driving. Dynamat on its own is great BUT over time in an engine compartment the chemicals and heat can cause small sections the peel back a touch...not peel off but they can lose the seal that bonds to the metal. This provides an opening for dirt, water and eventually rust. When we top the dynamat with raptor we avoid that long term issue. This also provides a more uniform appearance to the engine compartment; which we value.

Headliner...so we added 3 lbs but that damn thing will never fall down again!

Nope....properly prepped and bondoed! Less damage to the other painted areas that way and we can seal that up 100%

Yes....not only have I driven them in both discos and defenders. I have installed them and rebuilt them. I am aware of the 300TDI and it's strengths and weaknesses
 

crown14

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What I meant was, if you had taken the small amount of time required to pull the dash and heater box, etc you could have done whatever you wanted on the interior side of the firewall and you wouldnt need one square inch of dynamat on the engine compartment side. "All the way up there" means not very much at all because unless you pull the parts mentioned you cant come close to the firewall.

You are going to be putting a hard working little engine under the hood, have you thought about where that heat is going to be going? Are you going to be modifying the 300?

Did you spray the inside of the doors? I didn't see a pic.

Do you realize that you do not need to make one single modification to the existing AC other than using the correct AC compressor? Also do you realize that with the AC on this pig isn't going to get out of its own way?
 
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atlcruiser

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crown14 said:
What I meant was, if you had taken the small amount of time required to pull the dash and heater box, etc you could have done whatever you wanted on the interior side of the firewall and you wouldnt need one square inch of dynamat on the engine compartment side. "All the way up there" means not very much at all because unless you pull the parts mentioned you cant come close to the firewall.

You are going to be putting a hard working little engine under the hood, have you thought about where that heat is going to be going? Are you going to be modifying the 300?

Did you spray the inside of the doors? I didn't see a pic.

Do you realize that you do not need to make one single modification to the existing AC other than using the correct AC compressor? Also do you realize that with the AC on this pig isn't going to get out of its own way?
On the firewall; there are many ways to skin this cat. If/when we do this again we will reconsider the dash issue as you have a point.

Yes, sprayed the doors as well...light coat to get the nooks and crannies

We have never really had any heat issues before with the 300 in a disco set up more or less exactly like this. No serious mods. We fiddle a bit with the timing, balanced injectors, silicon hoses.

I disagree on the AC. I guess you can scab it together so that it works. What we have seen is that the OEM NAS pipes are anchored to the firewall then make a 90' bend to a junction with the soft lines. On the petrol this is OK but they do stress at this point. In the diesel we have seen them break twice right there. The rattle of the motor finds the weak spot on an already sketchy design. What we do is to buy new firewall hard lines and terminate them on the firewall in a little mount we make. They then go to custom soft lines that head out the the low pressure switch, compressor, filter etc.... This also allows us to clean up the AC routing a bit. So in a sense you are right, we dont "need" to make any mods but we choose to do so to make a better, more reliable set up.

Yep...it can sorta suck with the AC on

As an aside....you dissemble trucks for a living, I restore and work on them. Obviously we will have different ways of looking at some aspects of the process.
 
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crown14

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The only thing I can think of is, the guys in the LC community tolerate this kind of work? Bondo boogers in the door? Is that why there are no pics of the inside of the doors? Nevermind, don't bother answering that one.

There is much more to what I do for a living than taking apart trucks or even selling parts. While it isn't my claim to fame I assure you that I have enough repair, restoration and custom work under my belt to know quality work from questionable. And yes there usually more than one right way to tackle a problem, and this is my opinion obviously, but honestly, calling attention to this build (it is not a restoration in any sense of the term) and defending its pimp-my-ride style discredits you as a professional. But please keep rolling with your build, hopefully noone else will offer any criticism because we know from experience you don't handle it well. We wouldn't want you to go back and delete all your posts or anything.

You might want to call Waxoyl on Monday and have them update their site to include the "only application center in the S.E."
 

rover4x4

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interesting thread, certainly doesn't qualify as a restoration.

If you are an OME dealer why wouldnt you use OME?


Why is this in technical?
 
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atlcruiser

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rover4x4 said:
interesting thread, certainly doesn't qualify as a restoration.

If you are an OME dealer why wouldnt you use OME?


Why is this in technical?

Wanted to try Super GAZ

I agree on restoration vs renovation. I don't really know if you can restore a truck that is already in good shape that is not all that old.

I guess it should be in technical...I honestly did not think of that.
 

atlcruiser

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crown14 said:
The only thing I can think of is, the guys in the LC community tolerate this kind of work? Bondo boogers in the door? Is that why there are no pics of the inside of the doors? Nevermind, don't bother answering that one.

There is much more to what I do for a living than taking apart trucks or even selling parts. While it isn't my claim to fame I assure you that I have enough repair, restoration and custom work under my belt to know quality work from questionable. And yes there usually more than one right way to tackle a problem, and this is my opinion obviously, but honestly, calling attention to this build (it is not a restoration in any sense of the term) and defending its pimp-my-ride style discredits you as a professional. But please keep rolling with your build, hopefully noone else will offer any criticism because we know from experience you don't handle it well. We wouldn't want you to go back and delete all your posts or anything.

You might want to call Waxoyl on Monday and have them update their site to include the "only application center in the S.E."


You know..there was a point in your last post or two where i was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and I had almost decided that you were not a jackass. I was wrong on that one.

You define yourself as a hobbyist that dabbles in restoration work (D90 Source Thread). I followed that thread and I was impressed with the quality of the work and the build. It was equally obvious that you had no real idea how to do such work on a large scale, to do it on time and to do it within a proscribed budget.....You really did not even finish it! You worked on that truck as a guy that wanted to build a great truck; to hell with the time or the cost. To do this commercially in the real world is another story. Maybe that is why you are still selling used parts.

Your opinion really make no difference to me. You words make you look foolish.

I will credit you on this: The first post that you weighed with was covertly racist while your second post was overtly racist. I am pretty surprised no one here said a word about that one. Great work mods!

What do we have here at the end of this Sunday:
I am just some guy who is posting up some PICs and info about a build. Neiter an expert nor claims to be an expert. Not trying to sell or pimp anything; actually looking for feedback both positive and negative. I am a guy with over 34 years of 4wd experience, 28 or so of Land Rover experience, 25 or so of Land Cruiser experience, 20 years of working on cruisers and rovers commercially and 12 years of owning a successful restoration business.

And now we have this other guy...obviously a racist, who jumps in like a fat man into a kiddie pool to rant and rave about how I am wrong, how I do crap work, how I am this and how I am that.... yet i cant see his work around on any real scale, despite kudos on some of the work ...that really raises a question. We also have a guy who might think he has every reason to trash me as he has a small "business" that he might see my business as some sort of threat to...Hmmmmmm....that does muddy the water a bit....maybe conflict of interest?



At the end of this Sunday all I can say is BIG FISH SMALL POND :)


You are right I need to get on their ass with the Waxoyl.
 

seventyfive

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If your thread was titled 'customer build' I don't think guys would be giving you such a hard time. It's more of a 'fix' than a restoration.

Btw, calling Joel a racist?
 
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