2020 Defender

discostew

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Are we still talking about the new Defender here? My boss told me to spec one out and get it ordered and he doesn't care if I buy it in the end. I'm going to spec out a stripped down 90. I want air suspension and the straight 6. If I can shift my own gears I'll do that too.
 

Tugela

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We all do it; there's always at least one area in which we forget to be objective.
It would seem appropriate to observe at this point that if Land Rover ownership - any model - was an objective decision, none of us would have one.

There is no rational reason to own any Land Rover. We do it because we love them, and our relationship with our automobiles is often driven more by emotion than rationality. And I'm grateful for that. I don't want to live in a world where everyone drives a grey Honda.
 

CORover

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As I once read in a Chinese instruction manual: "It's always best to be two people when putting things together."

One of the few sentences I'll remember until the day I die, and it's fucking Engrish. :ROFLMAO:

Cheers,

Kennith
We could start a whole new thread on the translation mistakes. My favorite remember until I die one is; do not teach the unit to swim. In other words, it is not water proof.
 

CORover

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Are we still talking about the new Defender here? My boss told me to spec one out and get it ordered and he doesn't care if I buy it in the end. I'm going to spec out a stripped down 90. I want air suspension and the straight 6. If I can shift my own gears I'll do that too.
We got a little off topic
 

pinkytoe69

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There is no rational reason to own any Land Rover.
Do you mean exclusively in the present?

As someone who lives in the north, it's a pretty awesome AWD system to have.

Now, I also have a GX470, so I know that these days there are quite a few other options for that.

However correct me if I'm wrong, but in the 90s and prior there weren't really any other "truck" options (in the US at least) that had a full-time AWD system.
 

kennith

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You have no idea what you're talking about, and neither does Scott(surprise). I see Jeeps with no tops and no doors running around all the time, and I'm not located in a particularly warm climate. People want fun. For some that's no top. For others its no doors. Others like 2 doors, some 4 doors. Some like a pickup version. You can sit here all day and tell me how dumb people are for liking the Wrangler because they're all being fooled, but everyone knows that's bullshit.
Yeah, 10,000 soft top sales really isn't that impressive, LOL!
I don't believe I said they were dumb; at least not for that reason, I never said someone who buys a soft top is automatically someone who was compatible with their marketing, and I certainly never said being compatible with marketing is a bad thing. It's usually a good thing for both entities. The purest and most elementary objective of a transaction is balance.

As for fun, it's a side effect of that balance. This is why it's not all beans and counting. Those mechanical factors may be weaving all these people together behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean they aren't enjoying the ride. I mean, you are likely pretty darn sure that your the most current iteration of pattern generated by density variance, but do you sit there and concern yourself with being a function of causal links? Of course not.

The rest is beyond my interest tonight beyond this example of nonsense: I see three foxes in my yard quite frequently. There must be a shit ton of foxes...

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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Do you mean exclusively in the present?

As someone who lives in the north, it's a pretty awesome AWD system to have.

Now, I also have a GX470, so I know that these days there are quite a few other options for that.

However correct me if I'm wrong, but in the 90s and prior there weren't really any other "truck" options (in the US at least) that had a full-time AWD system.
It always seems like AWD is sneaking around under the skirt of at least one vehicle you wouldn't expect. That will be fun to look up. Now I'm scratching my head trying to remember which was which.

I was excited at first when I learned the 4Runner limited was AWD. They don't exactly go out of their way to make the line clear to the consumer. Shame it's such a nightmare to drive. I think it looks cool, and I really like the simplicity of the interior controls. That was a real gut punch for me. I'm still pissed that it sucks.

We now have the Defender, though, and that's a good thing. Maybe they should have called it something else, but I'm doing my damnedest here to see it as just another car, and ignore the Land Rover association in my estimation. I really like the brand, and I want to see it claw back some real respect; but I want to see it done carefully and methodically so it will last.

Land Rover has their hooks in me like everyone else here.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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DiscoHasBeen

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So sorry if something like this has been posted. At about the 7:50 mark some interesting shit. Kind of like I posted earlier. "Select your terrain and other info. Please refrain from touching the steering wheel or gas pedal or brake pedal while Defender negotiates obstacles for you".

 
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K-rover

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The whole let the car drive the obstacle for you just proves that Land Rover knows that only overlanding fanboys are going to buy this thing.
I remember when I was 14 and couldnt wait to get my drivers license. It meant freedom and I loved just getting in the car and driving.
Kids today have no desire to have a drivers license or car for that matter! I keep hearing "driving is too stressful I can just uber"
I guess we are living in different times! Im only 39yrs old, but feel like the old man saying "back in my day"
 

CORover

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I did not realize the alpine windows were split from the interior view. They look whole from the outside. They must have a support pillar going through them now.
 

kennith

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I did not realize the alpine windows were split from the interior view. They look whole from the outside. They must have a support pillar going through them now.
I noticed that, and was thinking it probably relates to the roof payload, which is surprisingly extensive.

That's going to be one hell of a rigid vehicle. The new Rovers aren't exactly flimsy, and with that tiny rear door and all that extra beef...

It's almost like someone was having nightmares about the first generation M Class and overcompensated.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

fishEH

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The whole let the car drive the obstacle for you just proves that Land Rover knows that only overlanding fanboys are going to buy this thing.
I remember when I was 14 and couldnt wait to get my drivers license. It meant freedom and I loved just getting in the car and driving.
Kids today have no desire to have a drivers license or car for that matter! I keep hearing "driving is too stressful I can just uber"
I guess we are living in different times! Im only 39yrs old, but feel like the old man saying "back in my day"
You have no idea how true this is!!!! My daughter is 15 and has her permit. She's a terrible driver(maybe I was that bad at her age, IDK) but we're making her practice. She WILL be getting her license, same with my two boys, when they're 16.
My cousin is dating a guy that is 25yo and has no driver's license. He also has no job and is taking 1 class online at a community college and complains how he doesn't like not being in the classroom. He dreams of owning a small music venue in Chicago and booking gigs. These are the kinds of ASSHOLES deciding the fate of our country in elections!!!!!!!!
 

kennith

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You have no idea how true this is!!!! My daughter is 15 and has her permit. She's a terrible driver(maybe I was that bad at her age, IDK) but we're making her practice. She WILL be getting her license, same with my two boys, when they're 16.
My cousin is dating a guy that is 25yo and has no driver's license. He also has no job and is taking 1 class online at a community college and complains how he doesn't like not being in the classroom. He dreams of owning a small music venue in Chicago and booking gigs. These are the kinds of ASSHOLES deciding the fate of our country in elections!!!!!!!!
To be fair, your elders likely said the same about your own generation in general. This must be what it was like in the 1960s, when the the established had to watch hippies spread like herpes.

It doesn't often happen this specific way, but much like that time, the keys to the planet are being passed from one generation to the next all at once. It reminds me of some movie where a key lanyard was ceremoniously taken away from an employee as a penalty for some event.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

fishEH

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To be fair, your elders likely said the same about your own generation in general. This must be what it was like in the 1960s, when the the established had to watch hippies spread like herpes.

It doesn't often happen this specific way, but much like that time, the keys to the planet are being passed from one generation to the next all at once. It reminds me of some movie where a key lanyard was ceremoniously taken away from an employee as a penalty for some event.

Cheers,

Kennith
Doubtful. I moved out at 18. By the time I was 25 I was married with 2 kids, had a house and a car payment and was 4 years into my career. I couldn't wait to get my license and move out.