.45 ACP Selection

brianhoberg

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Tax refund is coming, I've got a desire to purchase a .45ACP with part of my refund. I know there's a ton of makes and models out there. I love the look of the Colt Commander Gold Cup, don't love the price tag associated with it. I saw a Taurus .45ACP yesterday, good yet used condition for $580. Was clean, not scuffed. Gun shop owner said a guy came in selling it and five others because he lost his job. Not familiar with the brand though.

So, whose got them and what do you have? Any suggestions?

Mucho appreciatedo :)
-Brian
 

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Do you want a 1911 style or tactical look that fires no matter what? I have never been a big fan of 1911 styles that arent $$$, but its very dependant of your budget. Low dollar 1911's that are very good would be something along the lines of Para Ordinance or Rock Island Armory. Both very good, but not the best. Aroung the 900-1100 range you could get a very nice Kimber that will run with anything. That also puts you up in the S&W 1911 range, but I would still take a Kimber. Upwards of $1800 ish you could get what I would consider the best 1911 out the, the Ed Brown Special Forces 1911. By far the best knock down nail driving 1911 45acp I have ever shot.

Tactical style- This is my forte, as I have quite a Few. Much better buy IMHO than a 1991 for funtionality and practicality, and they are about half the price. Low $$$ end best bang for the buck: Glock 21 or 21SF. Brand new for about $550 unless you are a Military or LEO, then they are about $470 ish out the door. Next step up in price would be a Sig 220 or FNP45. Both amazing firearms, but if money was an issue I would get the Glock 21SF, you simply cannot beat it for the money. If money is not an option, go all out and get the holy grail of tactical 45's, H&K USP 45 Tactical. Stock with threaded barrel and unmatched performance and reliability, but your gonna pay about $1100 for a new one, and upwards of $2000 if you want the best one out there, the MK 23 variant.

Please feel free to PM me any questions you have about these, I have owned or do own just about every decent tactical 45 out there and out of the ones I dont have there are very few that I havent fired or tested in and out of the field.
 

brianhoberg

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lanceputnam said:
Do you want a 1911 style or tactical look that fires no matter what? I have never been a big fan of 1911 styles that arent $$$, but its very dependant of your budget. Low dollar 1911's that are very good would be something along the lines of Para Ordinance or Rock Island Armory. Both very good, but not the best. Aroung the 900-1100 range you could get a very nice Kimber that will run with anything. That also puts you up in the S&W 1911 range, but I would still take a Kimber. Upwards of $1800 ish you could get what I would consider the best 1911 out the, the Ed Brown Special Forces 1911. By far the best knock down nail driving 1911 45acp I have ever shot.

Tactical style- This is my forte, as I have quite a Few. Much better buy IMHO than a 1991 for funtionality and practicality, and they are about half the price. Low $$$ end best bang for the buck: Glock 21 or 21SF. Brand new for about $550 unless you are a Military or LEO, then they are about $470 ish out the door. Next step up in price would be a Sig 220 or FNP45. Both amazing firearms, but if money was an issue I would get the Glock 21SF, you simply cannot beat it for the money. If money is not an option, go all out and get the holy grail of tactical 45's, H&K USP 45 Tactical. Stock with threaded barrel and unmatched performance and reliability, but your gonna pay about $1100 for a new one, and upwards of $2000 if you want the best one out there, the MK 23 variant.

Please feel free to PM me any questions you have about these, I have owned or do own just about every decent tactical 45 out there and out of the ones I dont have there are very few that I havent fired or tested in and out of the field.

Hey Lance, thanks for the feedback. I've got a Glock 19 the wife got for me a few years back for an anniversary present. While I love the Glock and it is a fine gun, I want something with a bit more punch than a 9mm. A .40 would be great, but I know that .45ACP is easier to come by (and reloading components are more readily available). I like the Glock action and am familiar with field stripping/cleaning/reassembling it, but wasn't fully aware of whether the Glock was more reliable than the 1911 action. For tactical though what is the current military issuing. I figure if they are issuing it (albeit not in a .45 probably) it has to be tried and tested for ruggedness.
 

lanceputnam

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Current Regular Army Military issue is the Berretta M9/92FS 9mm. As far as reliability goes, its a toss up between 1911's and others. I like the glock for its price, simplicity, and no external hammer to get stuck on anything and it will fire no matter what. Let me know what you user parameters are, environment that its most going to be used in, and style that you are looking for and I can best suggest something for you from there.
 

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I d consider a Glock as well for the ease of use, price and reliability, just like lance said. They make them in 45. The 1911 look cool, but unless you want to spend a grand or two, it may not be worth it. Springfield XD is nice too and maybe cheaper than Glock.
 
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sean

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As for toughness, the 1911 has been in service for almost 90 years.
The only Kaboom I have ever had was in one of my 1911's and made me real glad I wasn't holding a piece of tupperware at the time.
Colt's are good but expensive for what you get, Kimber(internal extractors), Springfield make good guns and you get a little more work but less in the name.
I will never by another Taurus.
Brian, look around I bought a stainless Colt for $550, I gave the guy $50 more than the gun shop offered and we were both happy.

Brian, If you get a chance stop by one night, I'll show you my lasted acquisitions.
 

roverMc

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sean said:
As for toughness, the 1911 has been in service for almost 90 years.

Colt's are good but expensive for what you get, Kimber(internal extractors), Springfield make good guns and you get a little more work but less in the name.

Brian, If you get a chance stop by one night, I'll show you my lasted acquisitions.

x2 I have a Springfield and a Kimber. I favor the Kimber but both are great guns. Get one with a good barrel and night sights.
 

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ParaOrdnance....mine is a C6.45LDA. I love it! And the Customer Service is bar none!

My other is a SW 4506. A little big and pure duty weapon.

My Glocks are on the way. .45gap. both full size and mini. I haven't even held one yet, but they tell they are sure to please.
 
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Andrew Homan

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Sig, Smith, Kimber, Para, all make nice 1911s too. I have 2 Colts but don't necessarily think they are the best ones out there.

If you want a 45 that will always go bang get a Sig, Glock or Smith M&P
 

sean

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Why a buy a CZ97? CZ makes some nice 1911's.

Brian if you want a decent 1911 check out Rock Island Armory they have some nice guns for the money. They are not going to be Colt Quality but for $400-500 bucks they are hard to beat.
 

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Why not? He didn't say he was looking for a 1911 pattern gun, he stated he was looking for a .45acp. The 97 is a lot of gun for not a lot of money. I wouldn't pay the money for a Kimber knowing what I know. Colt CAN make a top notch 1911, just not consistently. I don't buy plastic guns anymore, I had a Glock blow up and my right hand was purple for 2 months. I've shot just about everything and the latest and greatest aren't.
 
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sean

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I agree with you on the plastic part. I didn't like the 97's grip it was massive and felt awkward, the 75 is bad enough. But to each his own.
What do you have against Kimbers? I have four and the only trouble I have ever had was the one with the external extractor needed to be tweaked.
While the 1911 may not be for everybody for the rest of us there is:
The Gospel According to John (Moses Browning)

1. In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was the pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck about with my disciple John's design, for it is good and it worketh. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain.

2. "And shouldst thou muck about with it and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm."

3. And as the ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metalsmiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.

4. Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field-worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it.

5. And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and loose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle.

6. And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as he had warned, fearful malfunction to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.

7. Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.

8. And being a deceitful spirit the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did function.

9. And the evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both cock and fire them and which require a "dingus" to make them appear safe.

10. But man, being stupid, did not understand these new pistols and did proceed to shoot them-selves with the plastic pistol, and with the trigger cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken. Yet man continue to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.

11. And when man had been totally ensnared with plastic pistol, the lord of the underworld didst cause a plague of the terrible Ka-BOOM to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.

12. Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men they didst begin to work as the Prophet had intended.

13. And the men of the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil sprits which tried occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land, and who were sent to the place of eternal damnation by the followers of John.
 

roverMc

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osiristheclown said:
Why not? He didn't say he was looking for a 1911 pattern gun, he stated he was looking for a .45acp. The 97 is a lot of gun for not a lot of money. I wouldn't pay the money for a Kimber knowing what I know. Colt CAN make a top notch 1911, just not consistently. I don't buy plastic guns anymore, I had a Glock blow up and my right hand was purple for 2 months. I've shot just about everything and the latest and greatest aren't.

And what's wrong with Kimber?
 

stu454

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The 1911 is not for the novice.

It's akin to an 18 year old driving a Ferrari. Can they drive it? Yes. Can they drive it without having an accident? Probably not.
 

roverMc

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stu454 said:
The 1911 is not for the novice.

It's akin to an 18 year old driving a Ferrari. Can they drive it? Yes. Can they drive it without having an accident? Probably not.

Depends on the 18 year old and their knowledge of firearms.