a sad day at the Hollister hills 6/17/04

[Blueboy]

Abs

this always has interested me on why Range Rovers, at least the classic ones, had the feature that the ABS system automatically was disabled when going less than 5mph. it really is useful feature.


Jaime

 

[koby]

I just had a thought...

Will Jack be changing his login name to "LiveOverTheEdge" ?

 

[Leslie]

I just had a thought...

Will Jack be changing his login name to "LiveOverTheEdge" ?

ROTFLMBFWAO!!!!

(Kudos to Koby for the image)





Seriously, though, Jack, not trying to make light of the incident. Hope you and your Rover recover quickly.....



-L

 

[nickangus]

Leslie-

I think jack is in a lot of trouble but he has had too near death accidents now (one on a dirt bike and one rolling with a broken seat belt) so his parents are manly happy he and I are ok



I?ll ask him about his login name to "LiveOverTheEdge" lol he'll find it funny he's in Florida for the next week


nick

 

[DiscoveryXD]

That's some sad news to hear about. Glad you guys are ok.


This is the first time I've been able to access this sight in months!

It's about damn time...

Matt

 

[utahdog2003]

Im not about to throw myself under a bus and say that my comment is true all the time. But in my experience, HDC does quite a bit to control vehicle speed on sugar sand dunes, so I would guess that the tragedy of the runaway XD is a characteristic of an older generation traction management system. maybe?

 

[LiveAtTheEdge]

haha, didn't see this thread untill today. discoweb seems to be up everyday from 12-5pm PST. least that's what i've found. the xd is totaled. i'll be getting another D1 and going shopping for all the off road stuff once the insurance comes through. Shouldn't be more than a month. The worst part of all of it is i'm stuck driving aroud in a Hyundai Accent... what a downgrade. Thanks for everyone's concern.

Cheers

Jack

 

[koby]

Jack-

Glad to hear you're OK. Take a look at the 2004 Discos. Those things are sweet.

So, are you going to change your login to "LiveOverTheEdge"?

Also, you should temporarily change to your signature to

"You may go fast... but I can go slow, Hyundai"

 

[utahdog2003]

how 'bout

"you may go fast...but I can go 38 miles on a gallon of gas!"

 

[p m]

so I would guess that the tragedy of the runaway XD is a characteristic of an older generation traction management system. maybe?

Has nothing to do with "traction management system," if that term is applicable to a D1.
The speed to which the HDC (which, fortunately, is absent in D1/RRC) limits the downhill driving is often way too fast to retain control. Since it "rides" on ABS, and only knows what ABS knows about vehicle speed and wheels' spin rates, I don't see how a "newer generation traction management system" would've helped.

 

[LiveAtTheEdge]

it wouldn't've. as far as i, and all the felow 4 wheelers that were there, the new electronic magagement controll systems were at fault and made the stopping distance considerably longer and less controlable. There will be no ABS fuse on my next land rover, not to mention a full roll cage and 4 point harnesses.

 

[utahdog2003]

again...my comments were not intended to represent what would be true all the time. Just that these conversations tend to convince more novice off-roaders that their vehicles traction management systems (or ABS/traction control/whatever you want to call it, PM) need to be yanked for all circumstances. I went to the Ocala National Forest a few months back, and there were a few guys there yanking fuses to disable ABS...in Florida! On trails where the little JC Whitney inclinometer is overkill!

Anyway, I'd never rely on HDC and ABS if I was in NC or North Georgia or anyplace for that matter where the trails get steep and serious. Don't hang me as an LR3 lover just for pointing out that for light trail work, electronic assists work pretty good.

I will accept responsibility for choosing a thread in which an XD ended up inverted to spark a discussion about ABS pros and cons. Not very good judgement on my part.

word bruthas!

 

[koby]

not to mention a full roll cage and 4 point harnesses.

I think EE can special order Safety Devices roll cages for LRs now. May be worth giving John a call.

 

[p m]

again...my comments were not intended to represent what would be true all the time. Just that these conversations tend to convince more novice off-roaders that their vehicles traction management systems (or ABS/traction control/whatever you want to call it, PM) need to be yanked for all circumstances. I went to the Ocala National Forest a few months back, and there were a few guys there yanking fuses to disable ABS...in Florida! On trails where the little JC Whitney inclinometer is overkill!

hmmm... I would pull the ABS fuse (on D1, no traction control) anytime I leave the pavement - for steep inclines, mud, snow, sand, dry washboard. Did I miss anything in my list? In fact, last Christmas I disabled ABS while driving in town of South Lake Tahoe with chains on rear wheels - on pavement. It dramatically improved the truck's braking ability.

If you're saying that electronics will do it for you, that's fine. If you're saying that electronics will do it for everyone, it's not fine. It is a beautiful thing, designed for a dumb to average driver under average to perfect road conditions - anyone outside this envelope should question any decision made for him by someone thousands of miles away.

 

[LiveAtTheEdge]

i saw that EE is stocking safety devices roof racks now i didn't know if they could get the roll cages too. I'll deffinatly call john. Otherwise i'll call them direct. but if john is already having the racks shipped securly it'll be alot easier to go through him. Loose parts on container ships have a habit of going walk about....like series landrover canvas's. I have a couple of camel trophy dvd's and on one a discovery does a double roll over by a river bed and lands back on it's wheels with only a few bent panels. I shudder to think how much they cost from safety devices, not to mention shipping it over here.

 

[utahdog2003]

If you're yanking the moron fuse that often, then why bother even putting it back in? Ever?

After 4 years in the SCCA, I get the idea that my right foot can do a better job modulating braking than a computer. What I'm saying is, plucking your fuse that often is overkill for a good many of us flatlanders when we are off-road.

If you're saying that unplugging your assist works for you, that's fine. If you're saying that unplugging fuses is for everybody, then that's not fine. Traction assisting technology (when the shit works...we are on a LR board here) is a pretty remarkable thing that shouldn't be interrupted the moment a wheel hits a puddle. The only morons depending on electronics are the ones who think those electronics will allow them to drive as if every day were clear, dry and sunny, and every surface were paved and smooth. The rest of us respect the systems for what they are...assists. Surely you don't pull fuses from your mom's Camry when you drive it, do you? Ever take the Camry on a dirt wash-board road? Do you pull the fuse? Do you only become a moron/dumb-to-average driver behind the wheel of certain vehicles? Telling folks to unplug the fuse all the time is like telling them they NEED a bunch of hard core do-dads for all off-road situations. Hell, a good number of the pictures I see in the gallery are on trails that a Subaru could handle. Why the heck tell people they need to disable ABS just for that?

Trails like Tellico and Hollister...that's another story. Pull that fuse.

And if you were on chains driving down that paved road at Christmas, I'm sure you had a reason, like maybe compacted snow? Ice? Then sure, dragging a locked and chained wheel would stop you quick. If the road was clear, then why the chains? Tempting your local DOT for a fine?

Like I said before, my mistake for directing the conversation to this in a thread started about rolling a Disco. Clearly for the trails they were on, he should have pulled the fuse. I get it that not everybody has the same isues when and where they wheel. So should all of us. Bet your ass that when I'm in HDC driving the dunes and cresting, I've got my hand on the e-brake. (they're little dunes )

 

[p m]

If you're yanking the moron fuse that often, then why bother even putting it back in? Ever?

because it isn't _my_ daily driver. And there are liability issues - the disabled ABS on-pavement can be interpreted as a cause of accident.

 

[bri]

Yeah but your risk of being in an accident is almost certainly lower with the D1 ABS disabled (IMHO).

Frankly I say that my ABS is such crap that it is a liability ON. And it has been since day 1, I just did not notice it for years and I have never been in a situation where it really mattered. I compensated for the crap ABS.


The first time you really need to stop NOW, you will realize just how bad the D1 ABS can be.


Brian