A turd-encrusted diamond

Tugela

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Dear Discoweb Advice Column:

Yesterday I went to check out a 1993 Range Rover SWB County Sport edition. Aegean blue, TWR wheels. 172K on the clock but the current owner overheated the engine, warped the heads, and had a shop do an engine swap. Replacement engine has 60K and runs beautifully. Smooth, powerful, no leaks, clean, it was a pleasure to drive. Also had a local radiator specialist rebuild the stock rad with high-flow, large diameter, heavy duty components. So that's the diamond: everything under the hood, no leaks, and not a speck of rust anywhere.

Now for the turd part. The truck has a number of issues, which is no surprise for a 21-year old Rangie. Any four or five of them I would be willing to deal with, but I'm not keen on taking on the entire laundry list. Here's what I was able to determine it needs (or at least what I would replace/repair):


  • tires (unsafe as is, including original spare)
  • I couldn't get the TC to shift to low range and didn't want to break it so stopped yarding on the lever
  • small dent in rear quarter panel
  • driver's seat won't move
  • large crack in windscreen
  • dash is a Christmas tree:
  • Service Engine is an easy fix, CEL is on (haven't checked codes), ABS light is on, low washer fluid light blinks even with fluid in the tank, and some orange light I didn't recognize. Maybe it was air suspension- top right on the display, had an exclamation point with a circle on each side.
  • courtesy lights in the door bottoms stay on. Current owner pulls the fuse whenever he shuts down the engine to keep them from draining the battery.
  • sagging headliner
  • upper tailgate struts
  • fog lights inop.
  • has a custom fab exhaust, which seems to be okay except for the muffler
  • front passenger window has trouble going up
  • worn bushings

Other stuff I checked that seems okay

  • sunroof
  • driveshafts
  • brakes work well
  • air suspension replaced with coils, could use new springs & shocks but rides fine

There are probably a few things I'm forgetting.

The seller is asking $3,000 and is probably looking to at least recoup the cost of the engine replacement. The tires, windscreen, and electrical issues (which I personally have little interest in tackling myself) would probably run north of $1,000. Possibly a fair bit more, I don't know what windscreens go for and I haven't diagnosed the faults. Most of the other stuff (struts, headliner, bushings, fog lamps etc.) I can do myself.

I'm guessing that the price I'm willing to pay, taking into account my costs of getting the truck into safe and satisfactory condition, is probably below what the seller is willing to accept. If I bought the Rangie I would then sell my Disco (let's not get into that, assume that part of the equation is fixed) and we all know what a 98 D1 will go for. Ideally it would be a wash at the end of the day but I would probably end up paying a couple grand net between the work needed to make my Disco sellable and bringing the Rangie up to snuff.

The solid fundamentals of that Rangie are tempting but will it be worthwhile? No matter what RRC I buy at this point it will need work and it may be a long time until I find another with these sound underpinnings. What would Discoweb do?
 

p m

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Remarkably, the cost of the engine top end rebuild doesn't look all that high anymore - the windshield (+ gaskets), and a full set of tires will put you right in the same ballpark. Lately, the cost of a re-done headliner in San Diego was quoted at five Ben Franklins.
If you were to bring the Rangie "up to snuff" - meaning not a show-grade restoration but a "one-foot" truck, it'll likely double in price.

Given with your laundry list... I'd take a clean-body Rangie needing a head gasket job over solid-running truck that needs so much work otherwise.
 

bri

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Run an edmunds on that thing. Its not work 3k. its not a 60k truck and I would doubt the 60k engine.
 

Tugela

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PT, I appreciate your preferences and suggest that you might be an outlier on the RRC curve. I also am factoring in the devil I know in my own Disco versus the "unknown unknowns" of the Rangie. The Land Rover is my household's only car. Some may think that's crazy, but it's a good incentive to finish any repair I begin on the same day.

Another option is that I could just put the money I'd spend on the Range Rover into my Disco and have an improved, although still imperfect, Land Rover situation. It always feels tough to let go of something in which you've invested a lot of time, sweat, and money. Part of my problem is that no matter what decision I make I won't be completely satisfied.
 

Nomar

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  • tires (unsafe as is, including original spare)
  • I couldn't get the TC to shift to low range and didn't want to break it so stopped yarding on the lever(interlock solenoid?)
  • small dent in rear quarter panel
  • driver's seat won't move(battery is corroded in the memory seat ECU=toast)
  • large crack in windscreen
  • dash is a Christmas tree:
  • Service Engine is an easy fix, CEL is on (haven't checked codes), ABS light is on, low washer fluid light blinks even with fluid in the tank, and some orange light I didn't recognize. Maybe it was air suspension- top right on the display, had an exclamation point with a circle on each side.(traction control light=exclamation point)
  • courtesy lights in the door bottoms stay on. Current owner pulls the fuse whenever he shuts down the engine to keep them from draining the battery.
  • sagging headliner(easy to take out 93's and DIY)
  • upper tailgate struts
  • fog lights inop.
  • has a custom fab exhaust, which seems to be okay except for the muffler
  • front passenger window has trouble going up
  • worn bushings

?

never an easy answer...
 

Tugela

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As requested, photos:

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Blueboy

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you really need to check the floor on the passenger and driver side.

also check the cargo floor.

and the welds on the pillars holding the roof.

anything can be fixed - just a matter of money.

have had both D1 and now 2 RRC although LWBs - liked both although partial to the RRC

as PT mentioned, truely rust free ones are getting more difficult to source.

even mine from SoCal had surface rust on the driver floor, yet, all the other important areas were clean.
 

Nomar

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THE FUSE BOX DOOR IS BROKEN!

Those are unobtanium.


Actually, the underneath shots look pretty good. The bolts hold the sway bar arent rusty; good sign.
But dig deeper.


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rover4x4

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yes with the prong its still in plasic withou the sicker it was such a find i couldn bring myself to use it. double sided tape works just fine, i only falls off when i have to "bump" the truck up those big ledges
 

Tugela

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Blueboy, your suggestion to investigate under the carpets is a good one. That SWB in Connecticut looks like a nice find. Ready to go as-is, unlike this one I'm looking at. I still can't find a compelling reason to tip the scales and go for it, especially with the dashboard disco light show.
 

Nomar

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... especially with the dashboard disco light show.

see what the codes are-under the pass seat-facing the door- have to remove the plastic trim.

Dont forget,dash warning lights on a 93 RR are nothing like code lights on a Disco. They may not mean much, if anything.


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