APG and Mark P to get their own section!!!

cptyarderho

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Sandy, I was not suggesting you be banned. :D That was someone else.

I love truly open debate and discussion, and I think in some ways that is a bonus of sites where this kind of discussion is possible. Sometimes though, it turns into name calling and ad hominem attacks. I have always taught my students, if you cannot explain your opponents point of view, you should not be secure in your own.:patriot:
 

Bannon88

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apg said:
certainly getting banned from D-web is less painful that being beaten and gassed for one's political views on an ill-advised war.

Too bad they didn't finish the job the first time.

apg said:
"Bush fatigue" -
I'm straight, I don't know what that term means.
 

Ron L

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apg said:
Unfortunately, a recent poll by the London's Daily Telegraph found that more people in France, Germany and Britain view the United States as a 'force for evil' than good in the world.

The poll may be new, but there is nothing new about the results.
 

apg

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Chris-St Louis said:
Your Dad didnt bitch about fighting in WW2. He did it, came home and picked up where he left off. What ddi the boomers do?

Well, I for one went off to Africa for several years, renovating water wells on the fringes of the Sahara - and got to drive a diesel Land-Rover in the process. Now you tell me, Chris, which makes more friends/enemies? The "bomb 'em back to the stone age" mentality represented by so many here, or giving someone the first safe water supply the village has seen in a thousand years?
 
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You are the rare boomer, for sure. As a generation, none have had so much and did so little with it.

And, To your point, lets look at France. The only thing we asked from them is Land to bury our dead protecting their cheese eating homo asses.... And they still hate us.
 

Bannon88

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apg said:
Well, I for one went off to Africa for several years, renovating water wells on the fringes of the Sahara - and got to drive a diesel Land-Rover in the process. Now you tell me, Chris, which makes more friends/enemies? The "bomb 'em back to the stone age" mentality represented by so many here, or giving someone the first safe water supply the village has seen in a thousand years?


First safe drinking water in a thousand years.....you're kidding right.

You know those much pollution those stone age Africas created, enough to destroy the water supply for forever. Fortunatley for the Africans, you showed up.
 

apg

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Bannon88 said:
First safe drinking water in a thousand years.....you're kidding right.

You know those much pollution those stone age Africas created, enough to destroy the water supply for forever. Fortunatley for the Africans, you showed up.

Nope. We were renovating wells built *two* thousand years earlier - by the Romans. Absolute marvels of engineering: unmortared, granite walls varying in depth from a few to *70* meters.

Never did find any artifacts in the bottom, though. Just a bunch of bottomless, rusted buckets, rope, broken lamps and the occasional dead chicken.
 
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How is it, that in 2,000 Years we came as far is we did (Men on the moon, Nuclear power,running clean water, Tivo) and they couldnt get drinking water without the White man.

Sounds more like Afri-cants to me.

If they dont like us, who cares. What are they gonna do about it?

occasional dead chicken

Stereotype? What stereotype?
 

MarkP

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Chris-St Louis said:
. . . And, To your point, lets look at France. The only thing we asked from them is Land to bury our dead protecting their cheese eating homo asses.... And they still hate us.

So why did they elect a conservative? Me thinks the "Hate Americans" is a creation of the leftist LSM and a vocal anti-war left, which we also have in the US. Just ask Barry.
 

Blue

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apg said:
Hey, if getting banned is the price for speaking out against gross incompetence, abject stupidity, war profiteering, and the casual disregard for the rule of law - including referring to the document he has sworn "to preserve, protect and defend" as "just a god-damned piece of paper" - then "bring it on". It's just that when I see so many crimes being perpetrated against our great nation, I have to speak up - as Dennis Kucinnich did Monday with his 35 separate articles of impeachment (not that it's actually gonna ever happen). And when I see someone defending, nay, *championing* all things Bush-league, it gets my blood up - something I shouldn't be doing at my age. Life should be pretty good right now: I've got a new grand-daughter, the wife got a big raise, I'm turning away work, we're virtually debt-free, and both Rovers are running well (knock on wood). But then I look around at the damage that this administration has visited upon this great country - and the shit that will be hitting the fan for years to come - I'm very worried for our nation's future - especially the mountain of debt left for our kids and grand-kids to deal with. I don't want today to be considered the "good ol' days of $4 gasoline" by future generations. I marched on Washington in 1970 with a half million other folks to end the Vietnam War; certainly getting banned from D-web is less painful that being beaten and gassed for one's political views on an ill-advised war.

LOL
 

Blue

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apg, which one are you?
 

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flyfisher11

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apg said:
Well, I for one went off to Africa for several years, renovating water wells on the fringes of the Sahara - and got to drive a diesel Land-Rover in the process. Now you tell me, Chris, which makes more friends/enemies? The "bomb 'em back to the stone age" mentality represented by so many here, or giving someone the first safe water supply the village has seen in a thousand years?

FWIW I flew many many more humanitarian missions than combat mission in my 27 years in the AF. I got a lot of satisfaction out of that, but for an example whilst flying humanitarian missions into Mogadishu Somalia bringing in tons of food and medical supplies, we'd get shot at on departure. This happened so much that we had to have HHQ waiver our tail wind limitations so that we could take off with out of limit tail winds and then fly low level juking combat maneuvers for 15 nm's in order to get out of there intact. Talking about biting the hand that feeds you! It was very hard to stay compassionate about our mission but we did what needed to be done. This is one of many similar experiences I witnessed first hand.

Cheers,

Mike
 

Blue

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J. Toronado said:
i would totally do that one in the middle....

The one with the fat waves in her mid-section? Shit, I'd do the guy wearing the wig to the right of her first.
 

bldgrn1990

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Well, I for one went off to Africa for several years, renovating water wells on the fringes of the Sahara - and got to drive a diesel Land-Rover in the process. Now you tell me, Chris, which makes more friends/enemies? The "bomb 'em back to the stone age" mentality represented by so many here, or giving someone the first safe water supply the village has seen in a thousand years?

Sandy you forget even if we bomb them back into the stone age we leave'em better then we found'em in the first place.

On another note during the Clinton years when the Republicans controlled Congress we had phenomonal growth. In the 18 months since the DEMS took control we have ended up in a recession with $4 gas. This isn't your Dads democratic party thats for sure.

"Except for ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism WAR has never solved anything."

Semper Fidelis
Semper Paratus
 

apg

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bldgrn1990 said:
In the 18 months since the DEMS took control we have ended up in a recession with $4 gas. This isn't your Dads democratic party thats for sure.

You *really* want to go there? :banghead: And dad wasn't a dem.... :p

First, get your math right. When the two oilmen took office, gas was $1.27 a gallon - I just paid over $4 today. And don't blame the "dems" in Congress...the obstructionist repugs have done their share to screw the pooch...plus, the US Geological Survey believes that drilling in the ANW refuge would likely produce only 3.2 billion barrels of oil, which is not even enough to satisfy six months' demand. Additionally, it would take 10 years for arctic oil to reach the market and another 40 years to extract the full amount of oil. A proverbial drop in the bucket. The Department of Energy estimated that drilling in the Arctic refuge would cut oil prices by only about 75 cents a barrel.

I'm all for drilling offshore...let's start with Florida. But when things go to hell in a handbasket environmental-wise, just make sure that the oil companies pick up the whole tab for the cleanup. Even with their multi-billions of profits last quarter, Exxon-Mobile has yet to pay their fine from the Exxon Valdeez incident...and that was 20 years ago.

83% of those polled think we are on the wrong track. Last October, 30% of the economists polled thought that a recession was coming. The most recent poll put that at 50%. Factoring in inflation, hourly wages were only 2.5% higher and weekly wages were just 1.6% higher in December of 2007 than in March 2001. Over the past 12 months, real hourly earnings have fallen by 0.7% and weekly wages by 0.9%. Yeah, we're in *great* shape.

As a vet or someone active duty, do you *really* think this bunch is looking out for your best interests? What about the 32,000 veterans that were used for experimental drug research without their knowledge? Chantix, prescribed by VA doctors as an anti-smoking aid as well as for PTSD, has been linked linked to suicide or violent behavior. What about the administration's dogged opposition to the GI Bill for the 21st Century?

What does it say about a presidency when a retired general thinks that senior administration officials should be tried for war crimes?

What does is say about a presidency when twenty former flag-rank officers start using terms like "dereliction of duty" and "you have placed our nation in peril"?

What does it say about a presidency when a dozen Congresspersons, ones from his own party have told him to his face, "You have no credibility left."?

What does it say when a Republican senator describes Iraq as "the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of the nation."

What does it say when the American Freedom Agenda, in its founding statement last March, said, "We are conservative scholars, activists and writers. We do not favor a crippled executive or an enfeebled government. In a time of danger, checks and balances make for a stronger government because the people will more readily accept a muscular authority if barriers against abuses are strong." And the clincher: "Today, the clear and present danger to conservative philosophy is the White House."

Maybe it's time to sit up and take notice.