Awesome Top Gear across Bolivia. A Range Rover VS a Landcruiser VS a Samurai....
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nosivad_bor said:
I think it's more image than styling. I hardly think the LR2 and LR3 have impressive styling. My ARB fridge has better "styling".
az_max said:
Them sweating and roughing it and everyone got an ice cold bottled water as well......
Well yeah, you didn't REALLY think they were actually ROUGHING it out there, with no support vehicles or tents, or anything, right? This is Top Gear, not Survivorman... When they went to the North Pole, remember, they did it while getting loaded.
Took 9 hours to get the whole episode for me over here but it was well worth the time, we all watched it and laughed our asses off!
Loved it, funny as hell.
I thought it was funny at the end, top of the dune and he says "I wouldn't take a NEW Range Rover down this.." Good thing, 'cause I don't think a new RR (or any new LR product) would have made it THAT far, much less down the dune.
I thought it was funny at the end, top of the dune and he says "I wouldn't take a NEW Range Rover down this.." Good thing, 'cause I don't think a new RR (or any new LR product) would have made it THAT far, much less down the dune.
Toyota, Land Rover, it makes no difference. I've driven a Range Rover in very difficult places. It had more miles on it's odometer than any two average Range Rovers on Discoweb. Combined. Every single inch of those miles was off road, after it was delivered, of course. You think your car is tough?
Drive it 400,000 miles, without ever touching pavement, on roads most in the US would consider medium to difficult trails.
But wait! There is more! HI! Billy Mays here, for Kennith having seen a Toyota accomplish that same feat of durability!
Oops. I've seen a Nissan do it as well. And I've seen newer Rovers in places you wouldn't believe, doing the same things. Let's not forget Subaru, either, or Mitsubishi. I've seen them all in places where the only other reminder of the civilized world was the occasional Coke bottle. I've even pinched myself and rubbed my eyes after seeing a Porsche in the middle of nowhere, doing things I most definitely would not recommend!
Both Land Rover and Toyota make vehicles that will cart you across the vast spaces of the world, but sometimes won't get you across town without an issue of some kind.
It comes down to what you are willing to put up with and where you are. In town, you bitch about every little shudder and warning lamp. Out there, if it isn't critical, forget it, cut the wires, disconnect it, clamp it, tape it, nail it, piss on it (sometimes IN it). It isn't needed, so you roll on.
Military forces use things for various reasons. Deciding what is better based on what military forces use is a good way to get bulky body armor that won't stop a bullet, batteries with a high failure rate, 8,000 pound failure prone dune buggies, tracked vehicles that don't know what they want to be, watches that break within a month, and camouflage that only works properly on the moon. It isn't always their fault. What they get isn't entirely their decision all the time.
There are many vehicles that are great for driving long distances off road. Land Rover makes a few of them, others make the rest. That's just the way it is.
One is not better than another one hundred percent of the time. Our "special" fighting forces use the vehicles they do for very specific reasons at times. Quite often, that reason is related to a facet of the vehicle's design that we would not give a single hoot* about, a reason that is entirely irrelevant unless you have certain gear or are part of a certain operation. Quite a few military vehicles were chosen for reasons like this.
When it comes down to it, to each his own. I just wish I could buy a Hilux over here. Uncle Sam isn't fair!
Cheers,
Kennith
*A "hoot" is a commonly used unit of shit-giving in the southern states, possibly developed to reduce the undesirable effects of literal interpretation. One "hoot" is roughly equal to 1.32 "shits".
Drive it 400,000 miles, without ever touching pavement, on roads most in the US would consider medium to difficult trails.
But wait! There is more! HI! Billy Mays here, for Kennith having seen a Toyota accomplish that same feat of durability!
Oops. I've seen a Nissan do it as well. And I've seen newer Rovers in places you wouldn't believe, doing the same things. Let's not forget Subaru, either, or Mitsubishi. I've seen them all in places where the only other reminder of the civilized world was the occasional Coke bottle. I've even pinched myself and rubbed my eyes after seeing a Porsche in the middle of nowhere, doing things I most definitely would not recommend!
Both Land Rover and Toyota make vehicles that will cart you across the vast spaces of the world, but sometimes won't get you across town without an issue of some kind.
It comes down to what you are willing to put up with and where you are. In town, you bitch about every little shudder and warning lamp. Out there, if it isn't critical, forget it, cut the wires, disconnect it, clamp it, tape it, nail it, piss on it (sometimes IN it). It isn't needed, so you roll on.
Military forces use things for various reasons. Deciding what is better based on what military forces use is a good way to get bulky body armor that won't stop a bullet, batteries with a high failure rate, 8,000 pound failure prone dune buggies, tracked vehicles that don't know what they want to be, watches that break within a month, and camouflage that only works properly on the moon. It isn't always their fault. What they get isn't entirely their decision all the time.
There are many vehicles that are great for driving long distances off road. Land Rover makes a few of them, others make the rest. That's just the way it is.
One is not better than another one hundred percent of the time. Our "special" fighting forces use the vehicles they do for very specific reasons at times. Quite often, that reason is related to a facet of the vehicle's design that we would not give a single hoot* about, a reason that is entirely irrelevant unless you have certain gear or are part of a certain operation. Quite a few military vehicles were chosen for reasons like this.
When it comes down to it, to each his own. I just wish I could buy a Hilux over here. Uncle Sam isn't fair!
Cheers,
Kennith
*A "hoot" is a commonly used unit of shit-giving in the southern states, possibly developed to reduce the undesirable effects of literal interpretation. One "hoot" is roughly equal to 1.32 "shits".
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nosivad_bor said:
Hence, the hoot.
Now, that's something I never thought I'd have an opportunity to say.
Cheers,
Kennith
It has been changed to "Lend a hand - care for the land".nosivad_bor said:
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Andrew Homan said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEKb_oyylyc
Cretu seems to think so.
Cheers,
Kennith
Kenneth,
Very well put indeed. And if you want a Hilux... Isn't that just another name for a Tacoma?
Very well put indeed. And if you want a Hilux... Isn't that just another name for a Tacoma?
kennith said:
There is actually a huge difference. Especially when Land Rover does not offer same day service in most regions unlike Toyota. This is a big deal to NGOs in rural places, which accounts for most of them.
Fact is Toyota's in MOST cases don't break as much as Land Rovers. Sure everything breaks down and no Toyota is immune to it, but their reliablity is not a myth.
Any car or truck is capable of doing the unthinkable, but Toyota does it more consistantly with the fewest issues over and over. Again it's no coincidence it is the vehicle of choice on just about every continent by civilians, NGOs and military groups alike. Because they are used everywhere they are easily service by locals or by Toyota's massive distribution system that is as well engineered as their vehicles.
Taking a stock D1 and a stock FJ80 and putting a student in each..........now let them loose at The Cove here in VA for a day. I know for a fact which truck will survive the longest. Sure we could spend some time and $ on the DI to put some armor on it, modify a few things here and there, but stock vs. stock the 80 will have fewer failures at the end of the day. Toyota's are not magical vehicles, but their engineering is superior than a comparable Land Rover product.
At the end of the day I prefer my DI, but it just won't last as long without a failure like an FJ60 or 80. No chance on the average time and time again.
Toyota's are used by our SF because they are reliable as hell, take modifications well (think weight), blend in and simply work over and over. Of course it helps that most of the aftermarket armor companies use them far more than any other brand. The average SF Hilux runs about $300K. That's with ceramic armor, IR, beadlocks, gun mounts, upgraded motors, suspension, tcases, tires, winch, bumpers, recovery gear, etc. The new Hilux is larger and has the V8 turbo diesel. They all run synthetic winch lines, kenetic ropes, etc. Each branch (SEALs vs. Rangers) has quite a few differences, but the overall platform is pretty much the same. I have yet to see the new upgraded Hilux in person. Rangers don't train in the US with the Hilux. SEALs are one of the few groups that have them here and train with them.
If the SAS were not stubborn as hell they'd be using them too. Pride has them still driving Defenders..........for now.
So yes anything can and will get you to where you need to go, but there is good logic behind the choices of the masses.
knewsom said:
The Hilux has the D4D motor for one. They recently went to an IFS, so that is kinda a downer. But the platform is pretty much the same as the Tacoma, but with other minor differences. The frames were slightly different too.
I dunno, Garrett... If I had my choice of an SV vehicle, this would be where I'd start...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmABiLMBVIE
*droooool*
EDIT: Thanks for the info - I had always thought that the chassis was identical, and the only difference was the engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmABiLMBVIE
*droooool*
EDIT: Thanks for the info - I had always thought that the chassis was identical, and the only difference was the engine.
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