Bad day for Defender owners

[DiscoPhoto]

Here's a little tidbit from the EPA…If you follow the letter of the law...

Let's not forgot the ramifications of violating the clean air act....

"In general, when EPA finds that a violation has occurred, the agency can issue an order requiring the violator to comply, issue an administrative penalty order (use EPA administrative authority to force payment of a penalty), or bring a civil judicial action (sue the violator in court)."

 

[kennith]

This what is fascinating about the D90 thread: CBP agents actually did their job by identifying the locations of the vehicles prior to seizure. Yet, this is jackbooted thuggery, the end of 'Merica.

:thehand:

Hey, they pulled it off wonderfully. I'll never say they didn't. People are constantly shocked at things I consider successes. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean it wasn't a good job.

That's one of the biggest surprises. The final operation seems to have gone flawlessly.

I just think the law is stupid (even if it seems to make sense on certain levels), I think resources were misused, and I think there wasn't enough evidence provided to warrant a request for seizure and arrest without invoking streamlines that were put in place for purposes that matter.

This is not something that only happened a few days ago. It's been a long process.

The guy could be the biggest asshole in the world, for all I care. I'm bitching about why it was handled and how it was handled.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[Mongo]

april 1st email?

Nice try frank!


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4/1/2013

 

[jhmover]

It's so nice having a legal 98 D1 and no hassles.

 

[Blueboy]

Yeah, I'm trusting the shit storm will be over when we return back to the the US with the Rangie.

Don't anticipate any problems as it has a NAS VIN number, however, for sure it isn't a stock 94 RR.

And for those that purchased a non-conforming 90 or 110 - tough shit.

We had an awesome 110 when in Brasil and had to sell it when moving back versus trying getting it to the US knowing it was not legal.

 

[SGaynor]

Hey, they pulled it off wonderfully. I'll never say they didn't. People are constantly shocked at things I consider successes. Just because I don't like it, doesn't mean it wasn't a good job.

That's one of the biggest surprises. The final operation seems to have gone flawlessly.

I just think the law is stupid (even if it seems to make sense on certain levels), I think resources were misused, and I think there wasn't enough evidence provided to warrant a request for seizure and arrest without invoking streamlines that were put in place for purposes that matter.

This is not something that only happened a few days ago. It's been a long process.

The guy could be the biggest asshole in the world, for all I care. I'm bitching about why it was handled and how it was handled.

Cheers,

Kennith

Hey, there are a lot of laws that I think are stupid, but I still follow them.

Complaining that the law is stupid, knowingly break it, then complain about the "loss of freedom in America" by law enforcement, just seems silly. Kind of like the guy doing 90 in a 65, then telling the cop he should go arrest a murder...

(Kennith - Not that you are doing that, just commenting on the general "outrage" about the gov't enforcing the law on the D90 thread)

 

[emmodg]

Hey, there are a lot of laws that I think are stupid, but I still follow them.

Complaining that the law is stupid, knowingly break it, then complain about the "loss of freedom in America" by law enforcement, just seems silly. Kind of like the guy doing 90 in a 65, then telling the cop he should go arrest a murder...

(Kennith - Not that you are doing that, just commenting on the general "outrage" about the gov't enforcing the law on the D90 thread)

X2

It's become "cool" and "manly" to question everything the government does. It's very fashionable for "good-ol-boy" wannabees to self-styled patriots to Brooklyn hipsters. It's got it's problems no doubt but it's the best damn one in the world in the best damn country in the world. 'Merica! atriot:

 

[KyleT]

Cool and manly no, necessary, yes. Always and forever.


I do think it is hilarious that the head agent or whatever his title is has a nas d90....

I still think there is more to play than just some non compliance defenders or whatever. More along the lines of who imported them, who exported them and the massive theft that is going in in Europe with these trucks. A $2000 lhd 110 is "worth" 25-30k here. Huge margins.

 

[kennith]

Hey, there are a lot of laws that I think are stupid, but I still follow them.

Complaining that the law is stupid, knowingly break it, then complain about the "loss of freedom in America" by law enforcement, just seems silly. Kind of like the guy doing 90 in a 65, then telling the cop he should go arrest a murder...

(Kennith - Not that you are doing that, just commenting on the general "outrage" about the gov't enforcing the law on the D90 thread)

You won't catch me importing a questionable or modified Defender any time soon.

It's obviously not worth the hassle.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[D Chapman]

Canada is the same way. I can bring my modified 97 Disco up there for a visit and wheeling trip any time I want. If I ever wanted to move to Canada on the other hand, there is no way I can legally bring it in and get it registered with all the mods I have made over the years. If it was still stock on the other hand, it would be relatively straight forward since it is more than 15 years old.

Don't ask me how I know this.

Yeah, but who would ever willfully move to Canada?

 

[DiscoPhoto]

Generally beavers

 

[Axel]

I just think the law is stupid (even if it seems to make sense on certain levels)....

You are preaching to the choir on that one. I would love to be able to build up a Land Rover in the UK and be able to legally import it to the US, and so would probably everyone else on Dweb.

 

[Axel]

Yeah, but who would ever willfully move to Canada?

Canadians and 'Ice Road Truckers' groupies.

 

[jhmover]

I just read on Expedition Portal that 6 of the trucks are being returned - LR screwed up on the VIN's.

 

[kennith]

I just read on Expedition Portal that 6 of the trucks are being returned - LR screwed up on the VIN's.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:I fucking knew it!:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[roverMc]

" That's one of the biggest surprises. The final operation seems to have gone flawlessly."


It's a fucking miracle, one of those foretold somewhere about the end of the earth.

 

[roverMc]

If I ever do get rich, are there any good importers on the east coast that wouldn't screw up like this?

 

[DiscoPhoto]

I'd go with Doug

 

[Buddy]

i'd go with doug

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[ipgregory]

There's no issue with swapping frames on these trucks and no major issue upgrading the motors. It just has to be done after importation. This is a well-known rule now but was not well-known just a few years ago.

Yep. You can modify your truck all you want as long as you are within what your state's vehicle code will allow, *after* the truck has cleared customs and been released into the US.

Sadly, no. This is not the case. Save me typing it all out, its covered pretty much here:


http://www.defendersource.com/forum/showpost.php?p=550220&postcount=1434
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/showpost.php?p=550244&postcount=1451
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/showpost.php?p=550249&postcount=1455


That effectively covers motor and frame swaps at the Fed level. Doesn't matter what your state says, allows or ignores as ultimately Fed trumps state. Anybody driving a US registered truck here with a 300TDi or TD5 in it and or no legible, original, manufacturer applied Vin # on the new or modified frame is taking a chance. Agree or disagree with the rules all you want, they say what they say. Whether you think you will be caught or not is simply about your tolerance for risk and has nothing to do with what the rules say.


If you're driving one of these trucks with the wrong motor and or no frame mounted ID, then good luck to you...