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I believe it's pre'86 (?) 4Runners and trucks. Land Cruisers never had 22R engine.
But even that pales in comparison with 240D's diesels.
If you have a heavy rig, 3.9 liter Cummins diesel will last you forever.
But even that pales in comparison with 240D's diesels.
If you have a heavy rig, 3.9 liter Cummins diesel will last you forever.
FJ's had the F and the 2F.
Hell man depends on what you wanna do. thats like asking What wood is best for burning, it will all burn but some is better than others..
Hell man depends on what you wanna do. thats like asking What wood is best for burning, it will all burn but some is better than others..
My vote would be a Rover V8. I know you guys bitch about them, but I've seen enough to be impressed. The older models with the dual Stromberg carb setup are pretty stout, and the electrics are sealed pretty good with factory componants. Most will complain about the little things, but they forget the big things that you rarely have to worry about with this engine. HP and Torque figures are perfect for off roading, without stressing any castings, and with proper looking after (even without, sometimes) they refuse to overheat without a blown gasket. Despite popular belief, they are not prone to warping anywhere, and that porous block thing was bogus. Basically, you have the power of a six coming from an eight, which is always a good thing in the bush.
Cheers,
Kennith
Cheers,
Kennith
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rover4x4 said:
The question was thrown out there in an attempt for me to become more familiar with different engines and their attributes. It was one of those "deep thoughts by Jack Handy" questions.
Oh and I was going to start with a fire for roasting a good Nathan's hotdog and then still have coals left that will provide for some good marshmellow roasting.
kennith said:
depends how far into the bush you are. if it's really deep, no V8 is good. Also, deep in the bush there may be shortages of 92 octane gasoline.
If the original question of the thread is basically a call for an afternoon BS session, it opens up the room for opinions.
2nd thought those 4banger series seem to do pretty damn well abroad. maybe I will take one of those, no speeding tickets etc..
22Rs were the base motors in the first gen 4runners and the same series trucks. Simple, stout, and with proper gearing plenty of grunt for wheeling, at least in a mini-truck. No fancy fuel requirements, Toyota dependability, quiet and fuel efficient to boot!
plus they got really simple wires and stuff too! duh!
plus they got really simple wires and stuff too! duh!
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All depends what the motor is mated with. I agree with the 22R engine. I had a 22RE in my 1989 4runner. It had 220k miles on it when I sold it (big mistake) and it was still going strong, just regular oil changes, even had the original clutch in it. I had a 69 iia Land Rover with a 2.25 litre in it that refused to die. Ran it for several hundred miles on two cylinders while out in Death Valley and drove it back to Burbank with no problem. Super easy to field repair if needed. Have a Rover V8 now with Edelbrock intake manifold and Edelbrock carb which gives enough power for my 130. It is a new setup so I will see what, if any, long term problems I have in the future.
PM
Not really sure I agree with you there. Anything is going to drink a lot of gas off road, but an engine that needs to be pushed really hard is going to suck more petrol per litre of displacement than one that can be relaxed a bit over the easy stuff. As well, you don't want to stress something in the middle of nowhere, and a small engine reving like crazy in sand is not a safe idea. Most developing nations only keep high octane leaded gasoline handy in remote regions, as back when their current cars were made, that was the requirement. Theres no shortage of diesel in cities, but you might have to run 100km out of your way in remote areas to get some that's worth anything.
The Rover V8 is rated to run just about any fuel available for petrol engines. It likes high octane gas, but you can run any with some timing tweaks. The engine also stays lubricated at 45 degrees...
Cheers,
Kennith
Not really sure I agree with you there. Anything is going to drink a lot of gas off road, but an engine that needs to be pushed really hard is going to suck more petrol per litre of displacement than one that can be relaxed a bit over the easy stuff. As well, you don't want to stress something in the middle of nowhere, and a small engine reving like crazy in sand is not a safe idea. Most developing nations only keep high octane leaded gasoline handy in remote regions, as back when their current cars were made, that was the requirement. Theres no shortage of diesel in cities, but you might have to run 100km out of your way in remote areas to get some that's worth anything.
The Rover V8 is rated to run just about any fuel available for petrol engines. It likes high octane gas, but you can run any with some timing tweaks. The engine also stays lubricated at 45 degrees...
Cheers,
Kennith
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kennith said:
Kennith, if you think that a large engine revving like crazy is any better, please reconsider.
I once had to make a 1100km drive without stopping at any gas station, in my homeland (that considers itself a part of civilized world). I would've been able to find diesel fuel nearly anywhere, but gasoline was SOL.
yeah right. How about 76 octane? Of course, GEMS will retard the ignition and do all the good stuff - but with 9.13:1 compression ratio, it would be tough. And, speaking of the bush, do you feel comfortable taking an OBD-II compliant vehicle 1000km from the nearest competent shop?
Wonder how off I may be making a general statement - IMHO, any cast-iron inline 4 is more reliable than an aluminum V8.
All,
I hope we aren't hijacking a thread, if so, I'm sure PM and I wouldn't mind starting a new one.
PM,
Well, I assume you are from Russia? I gathered that from your listed website. I've never been there, so I will have to agree. I also agree that many countries have more diesel on hand than petrol.
Heres my problem with your argument. I have personally experienced trying to find diesel in third world nations, and as I said, in the cities it was not a problem. In the remote areas, most people can only afford old Toyota pickup trucks, well, those and the Pugeot 504. Both most often are packing 4 cylender petrol heat under their bonnet. This leads to two things, one, an abundance of petrol, and two, a limited quantity of diesel that could have been at the station any length of time without aggitation.
I have also worked as a guest mechanic in a few shops out in the boondocks of Africa, in which the staff see what vehicles can really stand up to heavy punishment and no maintainance every day of their lifes. Those Toyotas (various land cruisers, to include the new 75 series), TDis (all models), and old LR 4 cylinder blocks kept coming. The only time I saw the rover V8 in the shop was when the more enterprising locals had saved enough to get the "bullet proof" V8 installed in their car.
I've also helped to prep a rhino charge rally Land Cruiser packing a turbocharged rover V8. Aside from that, that's what I've used and trusted, and what most people who have to rely on their cars to get food and water for survival, as well as many budget rally drivers consider the best engine out there.
I can also vouch for the engines ability to swallow questionable fuel.
About the sand... The broader (and lower) torque curve of a v8 tends to allow lower RPMs when crossing rough terrain. As well, the Rover V8 can handle a hell of a lot more power than it produces, making it extremely unlikely that a serious bit of damage should occur internally.
As far as the electrics, they aren't all packing computers, PM.
Cheers,
Kennith
I hope we aren't hijacking a thread, if so, I'm sure PM and I wouldn't mind starting a new one.
PM,
Well, I assume you are from Russia? I gathered that from your listed website. I've never been there, so I will have to agree. I also agree that many countries have more diesel on hand than petrol.
Heres my problem with your argument. I have personally experienced trying to find diesel in third world nations, and as I said, in the cities it was not a problem. In the remote areas, most people can only afford old Toyota pickup trucks, well, those and the Pugeot 504. Both most often are packing 4 cylender petrol heat under their bonnet. This leads to two things, one, an abundance of petrol, and two, a limited quantity of diesel that could have been at the station any length of time without aggitation.
I have also worked as a guest mechanic in a few shops out in the boondocks of Africa, in which the staff see what vehicles can really stand up to heavy punishment and no maintainance every day of their lifes. Those Toyotas (various land cruisers, to include the new 75 series), TDis (all models), and old LR 4 cylinder blocks kept coming. The only time I saw the rover V8 in the shop was when the more enterprising locals had saved enough to get the "bullet proof" V8 installed in their car.
I've also helped to prep a rhino charge rally Land Cruiser packing a turbocharged rover V8. Aside from that, that's what I've used and trusted, and what most people who have to rely on their cars to get food and water for survival, as well as many budget rally drivers consider the best engine out there.
I can also vouch for the engines ability to swallow questionable fuel.
About the sand... The broader (and lower) torque curve of a v8 tends to allow lower RPMs when crossing rough terrain. As well, the Rover V8 can handle a hell of a lot more power than it produces, making it extremely unlikely that a serious bit of damage should occur internally.
As far as the electrics, they aren't all packing computers, PM.
Cheers,
Kennith
2.25 petrol is what I would choose if I had to get somewhere. I have seen them run with broken cranks, broken rods (both the result of horrible abuse) with acorns in the oil pan and valve cover.
Dom has a 109 with a 3.3 N/A nissen diesel that was quite interesting to drive.
Rover V8 is great for comp safari but if it counts well . . .
Ron
Dom has a 109 with a 3.3 N/A nissen diesel that was quite interesting to drive.
Rover V8 is great for comp safari but if it counts well . . .
Ron