Best winch line

[LostInBoston]

My synthetic winch line broke this weekend. I had 125' 5/16 14,500 lbs rating Master pull with the heat shield around the drum on my warn XD9000i. It broke off at about half way. I was stuck in a huge puddle and dug into some mud. I got the rope about a year ago and have used it without problem since then. Any ideas on why it broke so i dont do it again?

so now i need a new line. I thought MP was one of the better companies. Which is the best or least likely to break on my again? do i need the 3/8 23,000 lbs rating line, evein though i onle have a 9,000 lb winch? im kinda doubting my MP recovery ropes also now.

yes i searched and didnt get the answers i was looking for.

 

[kellymoe]

I think the 5/16 is way under rated for any Rover vehicle. Master Pull line is probably fine, I think you were just winching beyond the 5/16 capabilities. When the line did break what was the backlash like? Did it drop like everyone says it does. Were you pleased with the safety aspect of the line?

 

[LostInBoston]

backlash was fine. shot a bit, but noting major. and it shot in a straigth line pretty much.
I see how the 14,500 could be too light, but thats what the steel cable was rated for that came with the winch, so i figured it would be fine. PLus i like the extra 25' i get with the 14,500, cuz ive defentely hooked up to stuff about 100' away.

 

[antichrist]

A winch should stall before the line breaks, assuming the line is in good shape. Sounds like yours wasn't. That goes for synthetic or wire rope. The jury is still out for me on synthetic vs wire.
If you want more load capacity use 3/8 and get an extension (or two) for those really long pulls. You'll also gain by fewer wraps and so a higher pulling capacity for your winch on shorter pulls.

 

[DeanBrown3D]

Tom, Rick

Seeing how it broke, Rick, would you feel comfortable shackling a winch line to an extension, so that the shackle was in the middle?

 

[F18Guy]

Here is what I have on the Pig that is sporting a Warn 12K:

http://www.masterpull.com/item.cfm?itemid=32004

It's the M-P winch rope 3/8" X 125' that is rated at 23,500#. I've had it over a year now and has worked in some interesting situations. Last year at SAE we pulled about 75% of the line out, ran it to a block, then to a vehicle in front of me that was buried in the mud. No Problems whatsoever.

 

[antichrist]

Tom, Rick

Seeing how it broke, Rick, would you feel comfortable shackling a winch line to an extension, so that the shackle was in the middle?

Well..that was assuming the larger 3/8 line mentioned (hence stronger) and a line in good shape.

 

[clayatem]

I have Amsteel Blue 5/16 and I have put a Z71 stuck up to the frame.
I had to anker to a F350 to do it and should have used a snath block.
Bill burke has Amsteel on his rig.
www.okoffroad.com has good prices.

 

[syoung]

I plan to go Amsteel on mine sometime between now and spring- based on suggestions from people who use it.
Dynaflex guys were so heavy on the "everyone else sucks compared to us" in their heavy sales pitches that I pretty much decided never to buy from them. Their ropes look like amsteel with paint on em anyway if you look at the braids inside.

 

[Jaime]

Rick was buried deep, and I was well anchored (stuck) in another hole at an agle. We hooked our winch cables hook to hook and pulled. When his cable broke, the recoil on both my steel cable and his was minimal. It followed the path of the pull.

Rick has the hawse fairlead and as I said, we were pulling at an angle, and the broken end of his line was at the drum. Could chafing on the side of the fairlead have caused the break? The fairlead was smooth, and I thought that's what these things were designed for.

Unless of course the combined pull of both winches (I had at least 70 feet out Warn 9.5 Ti) exceeded the capacity of the rope.


Rick, the scorpion racing site has some info on how to splice synthetic line.

 

[peter sherman]

An end to end splice is easy. But you should have an expert do it & then you can copy his splice. I would only use Dyneema 75. Amsteel is a brand name. I have never herd of master pull's dynex! More than likely a lesser grade of spectra or dyneema. Do you research on these materials visa the marine industry. I have been using this stuff for many years & it is amazingly strong BUT dos not like HEAT!!
Peter

 

[p m]

Jaime,

if you hook two winches hook-to-hook and pull at 10k lb on both sides, the tension on the line is still going to be 10k lb.

 

[Iron Boots]

Lost,

Have you washed the line ever? Has it been submerged ever? Wash it after?



RJ

 

[zeeto]

call up scott at rockstomper...

 

[Jaime]

Jaime,

if you hook two winches hook-to-hook and pull at 10k lb on both sides, the tension on the line is still going to be 10k lb.

Intuitevely it does not seem so to me. The reverse, 2 cars each going 40 MPH towards each other hit at a combined effect of 80 mph.

but hey, I still can't undesrtand why it only takes one pulley to double the pull strength of the winch

 

[syoung]

and I can't figure out how they get the chocolate inside those M&Ms

 

[p m]

Intuitevely it does not seem so to me. The reverse, 2 cars each going 40 MPH towards each other hit at a combined effect of 80 mph.

Jaime, these two have a lot in common. For each of two identical cars going at 40mph towards each other, the collision is the same as if it hit a concrete wall.
Same thing, if two vehicles have winches pulling them together at 10k lbs and not moving, nothing changes if you cut the rope in the middle and tie the ends to a stake.

but hey, I still can't undesrtand why it only takes one pulley to double the pull strength of the winch

that one's simple - a moving pulley acts as a 2:1 lever, with one end fixed. You trade speed for force.

 

[syoung]

notice he didn't have the answer about the M&M's...

 

[Discojunky]

If you look real close at the bottom of the M&M you will see a tiny fill hole but this is true ONLY for plain M&M's. The peanut M&M's are still a mystery to me.

 

[antichrist]

If you look real close at the bottom of the M&M you will see a tiny fill hole but this is true ONLY for plain M&M's. The peanut M&M's are still a mystery to me.

The peanut M&M's have genetically modified peanuts that release chocolate when they come into contact with the plastic coating, which they release before the coating hardens, allowing it to expand.
Simple, but ingenous.