Black students on trial in Louisiana

mountenn

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I am in a hotel room in San Juan, PR right now watching this bullshit on the news (its raining)...

Being a white male (and a firm believer that affirmative action is nothing more than the government-regulated preferential treatment of minorities), I have a hard time watching these protestors in LA. 6 black students have been federally charged in the beating of a white student, and now there are 50K+ protestors saying that they are being too harshly punished for their actions. Representatives from the Nation of Islam, NAACP, etc. etc. etc. are all present.

WHAT THE FUCK?

How would the nation be reacting if it had been 6 WHITE students who beat a BLACK student?

NAACP :biggun:
 

Lucasd2002

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I tend to agree but if you look at the story behind the current protesting - I think the problem began when white students put nooses in a tree to indicate they didn't want black students hanging out near the tree. [this was after the black students had asked the principal if they could congregate near that tree and were told they could] -- I'm not positive but that's the story as I understand it.

Not that I think they should have beat him...
 

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I don't think that 6 black students beating a white guy constitutes a federal crime. That seems to be a stretch and is overreaching for the federal government. It is a state issue. I agree with your other statements.
 

mountenn

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According to the AP, Rev. Al Sharpton said "race has never been involved, we are not making it about race...". So if this is, in fact, the case, then why did Sharpton organize the rally? How come it is being called the beginning of a 21st-century civil rights movement?

Let the "Jena 6" be punished for what they have done.

And as for the white students who hung nooses from a tree on the school property...the district attorney has claimed that he cannot find a law under which to formally prosecute these students...surely there is something the school can do...suspension for the vandalism?

So they now have a "Sharpton Group" and a "Jesse Jackson Group" both marching by the courthouse and the high school.
 

NVRover

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mountenn said:
According to the AP, Rev. Al Sharpton said "race has never been involved, we are not making it about race...". So if this is, in fact, the case, then why did Sharpton organize the rally? How come it is being called the beginning of a 21st-century civil rights movement?

Let the "Jena 6" be punished for what they have done.

And as for the white students who hung nooses from a tree on the school property...the district attorney has claimed that he cannot find a law under which to formally prosecute these students...surely there is something the school can do...suspension for the vandalism?

So they now have a "Sharpton Group" and a "Jesse Jackson Group" both marching by the courthouse and the high school.

I don't think hanging a noose from a tree is illegal, nor is burning a cross, wearing a white sheet, etc. Now, that isn't saying the act wasn't in poor taste and not disruptive. The school should discipline the kids for being disruptive idiots. It should expel the other six for violence.
 

Dan Erickson

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Don't know the details of this one yet, BUT...

Even if the white kid was part of hanging nooses on the tree (which is wrong and he should be punished), it DOES NOT justify what the black kids did.

More double standards.

If one black kid was beat up by six white kids, those same groups (NAACP etc.) would be in town stirring the shit. It would be considered a hate crime (funny, it doesn't seem to be considered at hate crime when 6 blacks beat up one white :banghead: ).

Could you imagine if a white man had savagely murdered two black people, then (in a court case that got world wide attention) a jury made up almost entirely of white females, found this person innocent even though anyone with half a brain could see he was guilty as sin?

In light of the fact that the Rodney King incident had LA in flames, what do you think would happen if this white man was found innocent?

More double standards.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.
 

mountenn

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NVRover said:
...that isn't saying the act wasn't in poor taste and not disruptive. The school should discipline the kids for being disruptive idiots.

The school did punish the white students who hung the nooses accordingly. The noose incident happened months ago, and the white students were suspended.
 

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I think the real rub is that they charged them with attempted murder. From what i can see the white kid took a beating, they say he still went to some school function that night so it doesn't sound like it was life threatening and i haven't heard anything about wepons being used. Based on that let them charge them with assult, and chrage them as the juvy's that they are. This was bad call on a proscuters part and now the whole country is up in arms. IMHO FWIW
 

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hmm, the same people(NAACP, Sharpton) who push for tougher punishment for racially motivated attacks on one race, now complain when the same laws are used on their race . who would have guessed.
 

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mountenn said:
I am in a hotel room in San Juan, PR right now watching this bullshit on the news (its raining)...

Being a white male (and a firm believer that affirmative action is nothing more than the government-regulated preferential treatment of minorities), I have a hard time watching these protestors in LA. 6 black students have been federally charged in the beating of a white student, and now there are 50K+ protestors saying that they are being too harshly punished for their actions. Representatives from the Nation of Islam, NAACP, etc. etc. etc. are all present.

WHAT THE FUCK?

How would the nation be reacting if it had been 6 WHITE students who beat a BLACK student?

NAACP :biggun:

That's just it, the same people would be congregating and protesting either way. They had their shit packed ready to show up and protest whatever the cause. :D
 

Bannon88

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draaronr said:
That's just it, the same people would be congregating and protesting either way. They had their shit packed ready to show up and protest whatever the cause. :D


Sharpton's phone rings......


He answers "Where da party at?"


Do you think when the NAACP loads up a bus to something like this the back seat is empty?
 

HunterAK

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Supporting them condone's violence and I think it's BS. One kid has four prior juvi offenses, including assault, yet he's the victim here. WTF?!?!?

No one could argue that the noose thing was outrageous, but they were punished. Don't the parents of these 6 kids understand that whoever throws the second blow, gets the punishment? If they were so righteous about their beliefs, they should have let the issue die and realized that they were bigger than that. But instead, they beat the shit out the kid and are praised and supported.

I guess the issue is that the kids are being tried as adults and not that they shouldn't be punished, but that the actions and penalties are excessive vs. what they are saying it would have been if it were white kids... is that right? Jesus, this argument is sooooo old already. Judges hand down rulings all the time that don't always meet the crime, but shit, don't break the law and NOTHING will ever happen to you. Our justice system isn't perfect, but quit diverting the issue of these assaults to an "it's unfair" issue. Life is unfair. We all deal with diversity every day. ALL OF US. I see this response by the black community as an issue that I, as a white person, has to deal with in our society. I guarantee you that if 6 white kids beat the crap out of one black kid and those 6 kids all had prior offenses, they would be looking at the same charges. But would the NAACP, or the black community who is so outspoken about our justice system being unfair, be there to support the white kids and saying the charges are excessive and our justice system is unfair? I HIGHLY doubt it. But you're right Rev. Sharpton, it's not about race, it's about justice.

One woman brought her kids from LA to be a part of the rally in Louisiana and said to reporters "If this can happen to them [the Jena 6] , it can happen to anyone,".

If WHAT can happen to them? They're historically violent offending youths who assaulted someone in a 6 on 1 fashion and they're being held accountable for their actions. SHAME ON THE AUTHORITIES. For Christ's sake!!! Are people just generally STUPID or do they truly believe that this beating was justified? For God's sake, one of the black kids blindsided the white dude, knocked him out, and all 6 of them brutally kicked him while he was down and out cold. Had the situation not been intervened by another student, he could have DIED. They're playing it out as a "school yard fight". 6 on 1? Kicking an unconscious person in the head repeatedly?

Now, "Thousands" of people are rallying with t-shirts and what not in support of this, claiming they want justice because the kids aren't being let out of jail and aren't being treated as white kids would have been treated. Give me a break! Who is really driving a wedge in the racial divide? This shit will never end.

Unreal! I'm pissed now. Great.
 
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Bannon88

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AlaskaBound said:
No one could argue that the noose thing was outrageous, but they were punished. Don't the parents of these 6 kids understand that whoever throws the second blow, gets the punishment? If they were so righteous about their beliefs, they should have let the issue die and realized that they were bigger than that. But instead, they beat the shit out the kid and are praised and supported.


I found the mistake in your logic.

You're assuming these kids have 2 parents, I'd wager 5 of the six are raised w/o a dad, and 3 of the five spend the majority of their time with the grandparent/s.

And you gets no street cred fool, fo jus standn' 'roun. You gotz to represent, fo real.
 
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I would be so emabaressed by these 6 kids, the NAACP, AL SHARPTON if I was a black man.
 

Matt Taylor

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Here's a chronology of the events, for those interested:

• On Thursday, August 31, 2006, a small group of black students asked if they could sit under a tree on the traditionally white side of the Jena High School square.
• The students were informed by the Vice Principal that they could sit wherever they pleased.
• The following day, September 1, 2006, three nooses were found hanging from the tree in question. Two of the nooses were black and one was gold: the Jena High School colors.
• On Tuesday night, September 5, 2006, a group of black parents convened at the L&A Missionary Baptist Church in Jena to discuss their response to what they considered a hate crime and an act of intimidation.
• When black students staged an impromptu protest under the tree on Wednesday, September 6, 2006, a school assembly was hastily convened. Flanked by police officers, District Attorney Reed Walters warned black students that additional unrest would be treated as a criminal matter. According to multiple witnesses, Walters warned the black student protestors that, “I can make your lives disappear with a stroke of my pen.” This was widely interpreted as a reference to the filing of charges carrying a maximum sentence of life in prison.
• On Thursday, September 7th, police officers patrolled the halls of Jena High School and on Friday, September 8th, the school was placed on full lockdown. Most students, black and white, either stayed home, or were picked up by parents shortly after the lockdown was imposed. The Jena Times suggested that black parents were to blame for the unrest at the school because their September 5th gathering had attracted media attention.
• Principal Scott Windham recommended to an expulsion hearing committee that the three white boys responsible for hanging the nooses in the tree should be expelled from school.
• On Thursday September 7, 2006, asserting that the noose were merely a silly prank inspired by a hanging scene in the television min-series ‘Lonesome Dove’, the committee opted for a few days of in-school suspension. The names of the three students were not released to the public for reasons of confidentiality.• According to press accounts, on September 10, 2006, several dozen black parents attempted to address a meeting of the school board but were refused an opportunity to speak.
• At a second September meeting of the school board, September 18, 2006, a representative of the black families was allowed to give a five-minute statement, but school board refused to discuss the “noose issue” because the matter had been fully addressed and resolved.
• Although few major disciplinary issues emerged during the fall semester at Jena High School, there is strong evidence that several black male students remained unusually agitated throughout the semester and that disciplinary referrals on these students spiked sharply.
• On Thursday, November 30, 2006, the academic wing of the Jena High School was largely destroyed by a massive fire. Officials strongly suspect arson.
• Throughout the following weekend, Jena was engulfed by a wave of racially tinged violence.
• In one incident, a black student was assaulted by a white adult as he entered a predominantly white partly held at the Fair Barn (a large metal building reserved for social events). After being struck in the face without warning, the young black student was assaulted by white students wielding beer bottles and was punched and kicked before adults broke up the fight. It has been reported that the white assailant who threw the first punch was subsequently charged with simple battery (a misdemeanor), but there is no documentary evidence that anyone was charged.
• In a second major incident, a white high school graduate who had been involved in the assault the night before pulled a pump-action shotgun on three black high school students as they exited the Gotta-Go, a local convenience store. After a brief struggle for possession of the firearm, the black students exited the scene with the weapon. [According to Mother Jones, the black students were charged with aggravated battery and theft.]
• The Jena Times has reported that, in light of these racially-tinged incidents, several high school teachers begged school administrators to postpone the resumption of classes until the wave of hysteria had dissipated. This request was ignored and classes resumed the morning of Monday, December 4, 2006.
• Shortly after the lunch hour of Monday, December 4, 2006, a fight between a white student and a black student reportedly ended with the white student [Justin Barker, later arrested for having a rifle with 13 bullets in his truck in the school parking lot.] being knocked to the floor. Several black students reportedly attacked the white student as he lay unconscious. Because the incident took place in a crowded area and was over in a matter of seconds eye witness accounts vary widely. Written statements from students closest to the scene (in space and time) suggest that the incident was sparked by an angry exchange in the gymnasium moments before in which the black student assaulted at the Fair Barn was taunted for having his “ass whipped”.
• The victim of the attack is close friends of the boys who have admitted to hanging the nooses in September of 2006.
• Within an hour of the fight, six black students were arrested and charged with aggravated battery. According to The Jena Times, at least a dozen teachers subsequently threatened a “sick-out” if discipline was not restored to the school. According to the Alexandria Town Talk, District Attorney Reed Walters responded to the teacher’s threat by upping the charges on the six boys to attempted second-degree murder and conspiracy to commit second-degree murder—charges carrying a maximum sentence of life in prison.
 

HunterAK

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Interesting. The noose issue was actually a NON-ISSUE in this fight, yet it's being discussed in conjunction with the story all over the media.
 
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So many things have changed since I went to high school. Just the fact that high schools now have actual police patrol that hallways, and use terms like lock down is pretty sick.