Brand name doesn't concern me...

[spydrjon]

What is better to have in a winch? A series wound motor, or a permanent magnet. I have never had a winch on my truck before, and though I know what the difference in the two types of motors is, I cannot decide which is better for the application.

Any advice is appreciated.

 

[TurdFerguson]

Go series wound..better use of power. You'll find that the permanent magnet will lack that umf for our heavy rigs

 

[ptschram]

The winch that you have on your truck is the best one when you're stuck!

Buy the most winch you can afford.

 

[p m]

A series wound motor would have torque inversely proportional to the RPM - which is very useful for spooling up faster when you're out of the hole.

 

[antichrist]

There's more than just the motor, for instance, type of gearing:
Worm gear -- Ramsey RE series -- slow
Planetary gear -- Ramsey Platinum series -- faster
Spur Gear -- Warn 8274 -- fastest

 

[spydrjon]

There's more than just the motor, for instance, type of gearing:
Worm gear -- Ramsey RE series -- slow
Planetary gear -- Ramsey Platinum series -- faster
Spur Gear -- Warn 8274 -- fastest

All the winches that I see advertised, i thought have the planetary gearing, i figured that was the norm, good to know. I like the series wound for the instant load pulling power it has, but the prices on the permanent magnets are alway better. I guess there is some truth in the old saying "you get what you pay for".

 

[spydrjon]

A series wound motor would have torque inversely proportional to the RPM - which is very useful for spooling up faster when you're out of the hole.

check me if I am wrong, but doesn't the current go up the more load you put on a permanent magnet motor, but not with the series wound? If so, is this why I hear people talking about burning up a winch?

 

[p m]

It does for both, it's just for a series wound motor it is more pronounced. You can get a bit more of magnetic flux from stator in a permanent-magnet motor than from a series-wound motor, but this difference is negligible. And permanent magnets are much less tolerant to heat and shock.

By the way, the proper way to respond to your original post would be "Buy an 8274, cheap bastard!"

 

[spydrjon]

By the way, the proper way to respond to your original post would be "Buy an 8274, cheap bastard!"

Do I know you? Because you obviously know me.

 

[antichrist]

All the winches that I see advertised, i thought have the planetary gearing, i figured that was the norm, good to know.

They are certainly the most common, and in that sense "the norm".

If so, is this why I hear people talking about burning up a winch?

If you're winching properly (read, intelligently) there's no reason to burn up a motor. You want a good battery, cables sized properly to carry about 400amps with little or no voltage drop, solenoids with 100% duty cycle for the load and let the winch cool down when it gets hot. Follow those guidelines and you'll never burn up a winch motor. Unless it's defective.
This is coming from someone who's personally burned out winch motor.

 

[spydrjon]

They are certainly the most common, and in that sense "the norm".
If you're winching properly (read, intelligently) there's no reason to burn up a motor. You want a good battery, cables sized properly to carry about 400amps with little or no voltage drop, solenoids with 100% duty cycle for the load and let the winch cool down when it gets hot. Follow those guidelines and you'll never burn up a winch motor. Unless it's defective.
This is coming from someone who's personally burned out winch motor.

"Do as I say, not as I do...."
Is that you Dad :bigok:

:rofl:

 

[Mike_Rupp]

They are certainly the most common, and in that sense "the norm".
If you're winching properly (read, intelligently) there's no reason to burn up a motor. You want a good battery, cables sized properly to carry about 400amps with little or no voltage drop, solenoids with 100% duty cycle for the load and let the winch cool down when it gets hot. Follow those guidelines and you'll never burn up a winch motor. Unless it's defective.
This is coming from someone who's personally burned out winch motor.

Tom, you might have 100% duty cycle solenoids, but to my knowledge, there are no 100% duty cycle electric motors used on electric winches. Electric winches are susceptible to burning out. At least worm drive winches are geared down to the point that they don't push the motors are hard.

 

[antichrist]

Yeah, I know, that's why I said you have to let the motor cool. If it were 100% duty cycle you wouldn't have to. The reason I mentioned 100% duty cycle solenoids is because the typical Ford type starter solenoid is something like 30 seconds on, 2 minutes off, no where near the rating a winch motor requires.
I think we're on the same page except I would still argue if you follow every one of my points, you'll never burn up a winch motor.

 

[antichrist]

"Do as I say, not as I do...."
Is that you Dad

:rofl:
No, just learn from my stupidity.

 

[agbuckle98]

even though brand name doesn't concern you, buy something in the 9K range capacity, and with a good name like Warn, Ramsey, Superwinch, ect, you won't be let down. I've seen them all take serious abuse and keep going.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Tom, I know what your saying, but letting the motor cool is a very difficult thing to do. I do know this: if you don't use an electric motor, it won't burn up.

I think winch selection needs to be matched to the application. On rockcrawling type trucks, I think electric planetaries are the way to go. They will pop you over the obstacle really quickly and have a fast enough line speed to keep the cable spooled if any slack builds up. In rock crawling situations, a long pull is rarely needed, thus the motor never gets overheated.

For muddy terrain, I think that worm drive electrics or hydraulics are the way to go. I've seen the RE12000 pull like a champ and never get hot. While it might not be technically rated as such, it could be considered a 100% duty cycle winch.

When I chose my winch, I was biased a little since I saw my brother's Warn smoke right in front of me as he was just spooling in some line. I went hydraulic.

 

[antichrist]

Yeah, gotta love my Koenig PTO

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Yeah, gotta love my Koenig PTO

Sweet.

I saw this on a guy's 109 on a trip we took in BC.

 

[TurdFerguson]

Like Tom said, If you're wincing Properly, you shouldn't have to be worrying about burning out a motor...keep one thing in mind...

Snatch Blocks are your friend!

 

[Mike_Rupp]

well, proper winching with a planetary includes lots of waiting around for a winch to cool down. If that floats your boat, go for it. If most of you pulls are going to be 5 feet or less, planetary is fine. If you winch in long muddy pulls, forget about it.

Use the right tool for the job.