Bridging ladders?
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Pillowtrack said:The tiers are AT 215/70/15 (max allowed by law) SINCE WHEN?
No photos taken in Naharya (no sand dunes up there...). REALLY?
Nor in Natanya (Forbiden by law). OF COURSE, AS IT IS FORBIDDEN IN TEL BARUCH OR HERTZLYA PITUACH, ASHDOD. ASHKELON...
Some where taken in Cesarea 20 mins north of Natanya..... Big Difference
The photos in this post where taken on the edge of the Sinai desert close to the Egyptian border. You are welcome for a visitLO SARIG, ANI MAKIR LA'SMAN,TODA RAVA,
Next thing you'll tell me is the ZAHAL is using them ...:rofl:
It was text, not a jpeg, where it was said,Pillowtrack said:
"Pillowtracks has proven to do anything a bridging ladder would do and MUCH more."
You won't find too many people on this site who will fall for marketing-speak.
Seriously, if you're going to try to hype something there, cut the BS. People here aren't stupid. Well, a few of us are, but most aren't. Statements like the above are utter rubbish and I suspect everyone reading this thread knows it.
I say it again - for what they are they could be very handy. But they, like almost ANY product, are not going to "do it all".
End of story.
Can they help get you out of a high centered situation? Yes. Probably as safe or safer then using a high lift. I would like a set of them to try out in the real world - seriously. But I am not willing to pay much for them. I am sure they are a quality product for what they are.
Stop trying to market them as a 'end all be all" product - It's understandable you're excited about them and such.... just cool the jets little. That said I must say you (pillowtracks) have handled the wrath of DWeb on a noobie really well.
End of story.
Can they help get you out of a high centered situation? Yes. Probably as safe or safer then using a high lift. I would like a set of them to try out in the real world - seriously. But I am not willing to pay much for them. I am sure they are a quality product for what they are.
Stop trying to market them as a 'end all be all" product - It's understandable you're excited about them and such.... just cool the jets little. That said I must say you (pillowtracks) have handled the wrath of DWeb on a noobie really well.
In the pictures above, was a shovel or some sort of tool used to remove the sand from under the tire to place the pillows under the wheels? First off I wouldn't get stuck in the situation listed above, but if I did, I am pretty sure I would just spend the extra 5-10 minutes in removing some more sand from around the vehicle. I think more real situation testing is needed. None of the pictures provided have provided a situation where these are necessary.
Got your PM in Hebrew.
Lets clarify " IT IS NOT A CLASSROOM " even if you meant what's the lesson.
You added the sarcasm on your responses and your statements '" in ISRAEL .. " like we can't imagine such special place to wheel, well I was wheeling in there maybe way before you were born, that is WHY I answered to you.
I doubt most of the equipped Rovers in this forum ( I adventure to include mine ) will not get stuck in places where that AIR MATTRESS will be needed to continue.
good luck to you ( LEHITRAHOT )
Lets clarify " IT IS NOT A CLASSROOM " even if you meant what's the lesson.
You added the sarcasm on your responses and your statements '" in ISRAEL .. " like we can't imagine such special place to wheel, well I was wheeling in there maybe way before you were born, that is WHY I answered to you.
I doubt most of the equipped Rovers in this forum ( I adventure to include mine ) will not get stuck in places where that AIR MATTRESS will be needed to continue.
good luck to you ( LEHITRAHOT )
Roving Beetle said:
Never claimed Pillowtrack will do it all (we are not that dumb...)
It just does more recovery for less hassle and less weight.
Thanks for stating it so clearly
ArmyRover said:
Usually we recover KIAs with Helium filled Mickey Mouse balloons, but the kid wouldn't let go, so we had to use the pillowtracks
Rugbier said:
No sarcasm intended, apologies if it was implied.
We speak with off-roaders from all aroun the world, hence we state the location to provide a scoop of the terrain, vehicles and legal aspecs of off-roading. (Off roading was there way before Israel was born...)
Rugbier said:
Thanks and LEHITRAHOT.
RoverRideAlong said:
The sand under the wheels was cleared by hands since the wheels were spinning freely (zero traction) and the sand was soft ? the Pillowtrack is only about 1/2" in height when deflated.
RoverRideAlong said:
Pillowtrack recovery is just like any classic recovery in terms of methodology and safety: sand was removed mainly in front of the front wheels to enable forward motion.
But that's what you did.Pillowtrack said:
"Pillowtracks has proven to do anything a bridging ladder would do and MUCH more."
So what you're saying is that the Pillowtrack is a replacement for a bridging ladder in all situations.
Anyone who has seen the video, no need to hold and/or use them, can see that that statement is not true. It's marketing hype, the sort of thing you'd see for an "As Seen on TV" product.
Sure, I agree they can be used for a lot of situations, but cool it on the hyperbole.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Will two pillowtracks get you across a 4' wide 6' deep ravine with vertical sides?
antichrist said:
I am not brave enough to cross a 4' wide 6' deep ravine with 4.9' long waffles
Point taken for the "Anything"
(Scrolling back to the first page of this thread I just noticed waffles were my first recommendation for pure bridging...)
I HATE PONIES said:
Got in today:
http://norcalfjs.ning.com/video/grmhick-getting-unstuck
And yes, he could have climbed through with a diff.lock and/or longer suspension and/or larger tires and/or ....
Video taken in Nor. Cal. not staged
atriot:
sorry but thats the lamest product demonstration yet.
staged=yes
needed=no chance
makes the product look good= I cant believe you directed people to that as a example of where the product helped? all I see is it slow the truck down not help it through anything.
The more I see the more I think that you dont really understand off road driving if that is what you think is a good example of this product.
staged=yes
needed=no chance
makes the product look good= I cant believe you directed people to that as a example of where the product helped? all I see is it slow the truck down not help it through anything.
The more I see the more I think that you dont really understand off road driving if that is what you think is a good example of this product.
MUSKYMAN said:
I need to correct you on a few things.
Before I respond, I know I will have to clarify a few things:
1) Yes My Toyota was stuck
2) I do not work for pillowtrack, I only have their device (otherwise getting to be known as ‘funbags’)
3) No, I did not take the video. Steven from the Nor Cal FJ Club took it.
4) Pillowtracks did not tell me about this thread, Steven Did
To give a little more background on the situation arising from that video. I had attempted that hill 5 or 6 times without any luck. Due to the low weight of my ’86 Mini truck, the rear end kept sliding into the ruts. Looking back on it, if I had aired the rear tires down to 10 or 12 psi, I may have been able to hold the line. I was having 2 issues: 1) the ground was off camber enough to pick my right front, and left rear tire off the ground, and 2) the rear differential was dragging on the ground. I have driven this trail in a 2wd Chevrolet 1500 with a gov lock, so it still is slightly embarrassing I got stuck in that situation. I was using the pillowtrack the same as if I had stacked rocks in the hole. Although there were no rocks where I was, and the ground was so dense with poison oak, I didn't want to grab any wood.
A light tug would have freed me from this situation, but the truck ahead of me took off about a mile up the trail. I used the pillowtracks while waiting for the other truck to turn around. I was honestly surprised they worked.
The pillowtracks are a very neat, and innovative traction aid, but are no replacement for locking differentials, longer travel suspensions, and larger tires. They are tool, and one I am very happy to have in my recovery bag. I was extremely impressed by the durability of the product. I could spin my tires on them, or kick them out and have them wedged against the exhaust system with no damage to the device. Their downfall is that as the vehicle puts their weight on them, the bag compresses, thus lowering the clearance (in my case under my differential), and is very easy to kick out. On another hill climb, I kicked the bags out 5 times before finally getting strapped.
They aren’t magic, and they don’t work every time, but if the situation calls for a big inflatable rubber bag to help you out, its the tool for the job.
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