Crazy people on gun forums.

[quick128]

holy shit Dan! I've got to disagree with you. We have the long guns for the simple reason that we are out gunned and I patrol 1000 square miles with 6 other deputies. If I have a call that involves fire arms of any kind i'm going to deploy my rifle. Not only does it give me the ability to accurately ingage a target over 100 yards out it is also a symbol that can convince a suspect to walk out with his hands in the air rather than fight. This is the same for all police nation wide. I think a small town or city cop should have the same tools. These are strange times and people do strange and desparate things. A mass shooting could happen anywhere at anytime and I personnaly would want to have equal or greater fire power than what I was going up against. And we ARE trained to enter an active shooter situation alone if we get there first. Our job is to protect life and property and I will not stand by and listen to people die. I would gladly eneter a building alone and unknowning of what the threat is to protect you, your wife, or any other stranger. That's why they pay me the big bucks... In regards to the training and tasers I would rather tase someone than fight on the ground with them. I have been in several "live or die" fights without a taser and I can tell you it was not pleasent. A ground fight is one of the most dangerous things that can happen. It only takes a split second to allow the person to get hold of my gun, his gun, a knife or other object and things could go bad. I would rather stand 20 feet away, smile, and launch the probes at him. Fighting stops being fun and exciting when your life is involved. I have never seen or heard of training or instructions of actions to take peoples guns or force them from their homes during civil unrest. I can tell you for sure that if it where to come to that no one I work with will participate in any such action and since you live in the county I work in I think you are safe.


LRflip will be at the house this evening so feel free to come down for a beer around 6 or 7.

 

[D Chapman]

Do you really pull your gun out that often? Don Farley just "retired" and claimed that in his 30-years of service as a patrolman all the way up to Sheriff he never once pulled his gun from the holster.

 

[quick128]

yeah I really do. We do felony stops, high risk warrants, barricaded suspects, deal with armed people on calls, ect, on a weekly basis. I know you listen to the scanner. Pay attention to the types of calls we get.

 

[jhmover]

The retired Alameda County Sheriff Charlie Plummer went almost his whole entire career without unholstering his gun on anyone. He finally did just before he retired. I think it ruined his day.

 

[ptschram]

Our job is to protect life and property and I will not stand by and listen to people die. I would gladly eneter a building alone and unknowning of what the threat is to protect you, your wife, or any other stranger. That's why they pay me the big bucks...

Trevor,
It is statements like the one above that EARN my respect.

Now if we could just stop the unreasonable roadblocks.

Be careful!

 

[knewsom]

Trevor,
It is statements like the one above that EARN my respect.

Now if we could just stop the unreasonable roadblocks.

Be careful!

What he said. ...the first part.

 

[rovercanus]

Thank you one and all for ruining my crazy people on gun forums thread. When the rapture comes I hope all you fuckers get taken away. Except for PT, he can be sheriff. And Dan because heaven wouldn't have him and I may need help moving a washing machine sometime or something.

 

[gage092879]

really, entering one person by themselves? congrats on willingness to give up your life for others, but to do it by being stupid is not the way to go. just my thoughts.

 

[emmodg]

Thank you one and all for ruining my crazy people on gun forums thread. When the rapture comes I hope all you fuckers get taken away. Except for PT, he can be sheriff. And Dan because heaven wouldn't have him and I may need help moving a washing machine sometime or something.

Here, here!

I'm with you Walter. I liked the "crazy person" thread as well - I hate it when it gets all serious and shit!

Now, what's this "rapture" thing I'm hearing about?

 

[Timmy!!!!!!!]

Thank you one and all for ruining my crazy people on gun forums thread. When the rapture comes I hope all you fuckers get taken away.

I'll miss you

 

[ptschram]

really, entering one person by themselves? congrats on willingness to give up your life for others, but to do it by being stupid is not the way to go. just my thoughts.

I can see it from both sides.

LEOs have the training to do so, as do the military folks doing the CQB overseas. They are going in prepared in more ways than one.

OTOH, if you know that the shooter is holed up and can't hurt anyone else, they have this really cool process, it's called siege

Then again, do we know if there are more potential victims? If one doesn't go in, there will be Hell to pay if there are more victims after the cavalry arrives and they sat on their hands and watched from a safe distance.

 

[gage092879]

I have done my share of entries and taught cqb and that is never anything we would say or were taught to do. But everyone has a different way I guess. To each their own.

 

[quick128]

it all has to do with what you have to work with. I have worked for two short staffed rural departments and if there is an active shooter situation I am going to arrive alone and may have to wait 5 to 10 minutes or longer for the next officer. I'm not working with a suburban full of ex spec ops or a styker loaded with cav scouts. If the shooting is still going on and people are dieing then it is my responsibilty to act alone. If the shooter is separated or barricaded then I would act differently.

 

[Devildog01]

This thread has gotten way off topic.Lets get back to discussing how Oboma has destroyed our country.

 

[Agent]

it all has to do with what you have to work with. I have worked for two short staffed rural departments and if there is an active shooter situation I am going to arrive alone and may have to wait 5 to 10 minutes or longer for the next officer. I'm not working with a suburban full of ex spec ops or a styker loaded with cav scouts. If the shooting is still going on and people are dieing then it is my responsibilty to act alone. If the shooter is separated or barricaded then I would act differently.

Same in my neck of the woods. I'm all for waiting for the cavalry, but if a whacko is shooting up a school I'm going in. Its my understanding that single officer response (unless another officer is very close by) was the accepted way of dealing with active shooters. Wasn't but a few years ago, a lone officer stopped a mass shooting in a NC nursing home.

 

[ptschram]

Wasn't but a few years ago, a lone officer stopped a mass shooting in a NC nursing home.

And a school teacher ran to his car, grabbed his firearm, returned and subdued a school shooter.

A lone armed person might have stopped the Luby's slaughter as well.

Be safe guys, be good, wear your body armor. I want you guys to be around to protect me and so we can argue the finer points.

 

[Agent]

And a school teacher ran to his car, grabbed his firearm, returned and subdued a school shooter.

A lone armed person might have stopped the Luby's slaughter as well.

Be safe guys, be good, wear your body armor. I want you guys to be around to protect me and so we can argue the finer points.

You're absolutely right, its been shown time and time again, that a lone armed citzen or LEO can stop or at least disrupt and contain an active shooter.

Thanks PT!

 

[ptschram]

I'd like to see what the statistics are for the instances where the mere brandishing of a firearm defused a situation.

I suspect that there are MANY situations that go unreported where someone backed down right quick when their intended victim resisted and showed an overwhelming level of force available.

 

[roverMc]

I'd like to see what the statistics are for the instances where the mere brandishing of a firearm defused a situation.

I suspect that there are MANY situations that go unreported where someone backed down right quick when their intended victim resisted and showed an overwhelming level of force available.

I agree, but that's one we will never know.

 

[jim-00-4.6]

I'm all for waiting for the cavalry, but if a whacko is shooting up a school I'm going in.

If the shooting is still going on and people are dieing then it is my responsibilty to act alone.

I imagine 1 or 2 people's lives might have been saved at Columbine High School if either or both of you worked for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department in April, 1999.

Then again, do we know if there are more potential victims? If one doesn't go in, there will be Hell to pay if there are more victims after the cavalry arrives and they sat on their hands and watched from a safe distance.

"hell to pay"? No, there isn't.
People die, the cops cry about not having adequate firepower, they get more firepower, for "next time".
Lawmakers make more laws that don't do anything.
"Oh, I don't know man, I'm fine with breaking 36 laws & killing as many people as we can find, but 37 laws? I just can't do it."
I'm sure you can google the footage of the police sitting on their asses outside Columbine High School.
I have some recollection of seeing video of a teacher or student crawling out a window, unaided by police wearing body armor, standing behind their cars.
The school district response was to ban "black trenchcoats".