Crazy people on gun forums.
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And the problem of the idividuals who carry that do pull on a suspect, end up using it (similar to the 'self-defense' case currently in the news)... the media has a heyday with gun laws, carry laws, citizen's right to bear arms, the "innocence" of those who got shot (whether they were breaking the law or not...).
There was an interview with Nancy Grace the friend of the Zimmerman guy where he's practically begging her to let "due process" work it's course.
There was an interview with Nancy Grace the friend of the Zimmerman guy where he's practically begging her to let "due process" work it's course.
As a teacher I can say that is the only real fear I have, shooter in school and I am here unarmed.
Chuck at the range.
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ptschram
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jim-00-4.6 said:
Definitely gotta agree that passing another laws has never solved anything.
Columbine was the event that changed the way active shooters were delt with. Up to that point such acts were relatively rare and were approached from the standing point of a hostage situation. Setup a perimeter, wait for swat and negotiate was the SOP. Obviously, this was the wrong approach and quickly realized after the fact. Thankfully, the thinking on the matter has changed and now quick action by a lone officer or small group if it can be assembled quickly is the SOP of dealing with such a situation.
PT, I read a book several years ago called "More Guns, Less Crime". As I recall, it had some interesting statistics where simply presenting a weapon caused an attacker to halt his actions.
walter,
i have always been told to offer the bear a pic-a-nic basket.
that would actually be a good test for concealed carry permit. take a brown bear, put him in a cage, and get him really good and pissed of. poke him a stick, call his mom names, etc. then stand the concealed carry applicant 10 yards away soaked in salmon oil and honey. to the left and right of the direct path, set up some life size cut outs of innocent civilians.
IF the applicant can safely subdue the bear, apparently by shooting the bear in the eyes repeatedly, without hitting any of the life size cut outs, they should be considered.
i am ignorant to background checks, i.e. mental evaluations, etc when it comes to law enforcement. maybe trevor can give us some insight regarding how someone is proven to be mentally stable to carry a weapon and a badge, i would hope the same kind of checks are made when a concealed permit is requested.
when i was screened for special weapons team member, in the navy, it was postponed until i passed a pretty stringent second evaluation due to my uncle. he had warrants out in montana for weapons charges. they finally gave me my secret clearance after finding i had no close ties with my uncle. granted they didn't care too much about known associations for conventional weapons handling, small arms and shit like that. BUT, i would feel a bit safer knowing civilians were allowed to conceal a weapon only if they were really checked out.
i have friends who still have secret clearances, and i have been interviewed regarding their character as part of the approval process. i was given temporary clearance, at my last job, due to my previous clearance in the navy, but i was still investigated for final approval. do we need as stringent investigation regarding concealed permits? not really, but i would feel a bit safer knowing the people legally carrying a loaded weapon were at least known to be of good character, not some anti gov't type, or para military nut job....although those types usually lie very well and are pretty good about concealing their other whacko associates.
i have always been told to offer the bear a pic-a-nic basket.
that would actually be a good test for concealed carry permit. take a brown bear, put him in a cage, and get him really good and pissed of. poke him a stick, call his mom names, etc. then stand the concealed carry applicant 10 yards away soaked in salmon oil and honey. to the left and right of the direct path, set up some life size cut outs of innocent civilians.
IF the applicant can safely subdue the bear, apparently by shooting the bear in the eyes repeatedly, without hitting any of the life size cut outs, they should be considered.
i am ignorant to background checks, i.e. mental evaluations, etc when it comes to law enforcement. maybe trevor can give us some insight regarding how someone is proven to be mentally stable to carry a weapon and a badge, i would hope the same kind of checks are made when a concealed permit is requested.
when i was screened for special weapons team member, in the navy, it was postponed until i passed a pretty stringent second evaluation due to my uncle. he had warrants out in montana for weapons charges. they finally gave me my secret clearance after finding i had no close ties with my uncle. granted they didn't care too much about known associations for conventional weapons handling, small arms and shit like that. BUT, i would feel a bit safer knowing civilians were allowed to conceal a weapon only if they were really checked out.
i have friends who still have secret clearances, and i have been interviewed regarding their character as part of the approval process. i was given temporary clearance, at my last job, due to my previous clearance in the navy, but i was still investigated for final approval. do we need as stringent investigation regarding concealed permits? not really, but i would feel a bit safer knowing the people legally carrying a loaded weapon were at least known to be of good character, not some anti gov't type, or para military nut job....although those types usually lie very well and are pretty good about concealing their other whacko associates.
ptschram
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seventyfive said:
Indiana only requires a fingerprint card, local CLEO check and state police check to issue a LIFETIME carry permit.
It looks like you can even apply on-line now.
http://aries.in.gov/Firearms/Permit.aspx
ptschram
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rovercanus said:
no. i have firearms. it's my constitutional right to bear arms as is yours. i like most of you know how to handle a firearm and know my limitations...i may be a decent shot, but i have never passed a cqb training course, i have never been put in a situation where i would need to fire a weapon (person to person), and i am a hot head so i don't trust myself to carry a loaded weapon. therefore i don't trust just anyone else carrying a loaded weapon.
my biggest fear is one of my children or my wife, your wife and your children, anyone's wife or children being murdered by someone who thought they were doing the right thing.
my posts have never inferred nobody should be allowed to own a firearm. my posts were somewhat in line with your original intent of this thread. you posted about a nut job that is allowed to carry a loaded weapon. would you trust that guy around your family or people you cared about?
ptschram
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seventyfive said:
Mike-I think you might be surprised at how you handle situations differently when you are armed.
I tend to avoid things much more actively and I think most folks do as well-George Zimmerman obviously excepted.
For me, CCW is much more of a political thing than anything else.
You're thinking special warfare.Roach said:
special weapons=non-conventnal ordnance. and no I never handled it or ever seen it, but the navy was ending the weapons technician and torpedo man rates so they merged them into aviation ordnance and gunners mate rates.
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