D2 Headliner - Lessons Learned

mlnnc

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I recently removed the sagging headliner in my '99 DII and chose to paint the shell rather than recover it with fabric. I'm very happy with the results. Others have done good, comprehensive write-ups available here and on other forums, but I have a handful of lessons leared to share.
  • The trickiest thing I encountered was how to remove the second row light. After removing the lens you'll see a small, rectangular hole on the left side of the housing. You need to insert a flat blade screwdriver in the hole at about a 45 degree angle, then rotate the screwdriver handle down to release the metal clip holding the housing to the shell. I would have posted a pic if that option was available, but PM me if you would like to see a photo of what I am describing.
  • If your truck has rear A/C you do not need to remove the rear vents before removing the headliner. They come out with the shell, just like the second row plastic panel and cargo net storage. They can then be easily removed when the shell is out of the truck.
  • The plastic trim piece running across the top of the rear door opening needs to be pulled forward to be removed, not pulled down as others have said. The plastic is brittle and it's a little scary, but it will come off if you pull it in the right direction.
  • You'll also think you are going to break the A-pillar and B-pillar trim pieces. They are made of the same plastic as the rear door trim and are secured by the same type of clips. Just pull. Have faith. But don't forget to pull the weather stripping to get at the secondary clips for the B-pillar.
  • I used a 2-inch wide nail puller (pry bar) to pull out the plastic trim fasteners, and in some cases used a 1/4" piece of wood under that to spread the pressure and try to avoid damage to the trim. They all came out fine with no problems.
  • Others are correct that the little screw cover flaps on the visor clips are extremely difficult to avoid breaking off, but I just used them as is and won't spend $14 to replace them.
  • Perhaps my most important tip is that denatured alcohol was an excellent solvent for removing the adhesive residue that remained after removing the fabric and using a wire brush to remove the orange foam. Just pour the denatured alcohol on a folded rag and go at it. It evaporates fast and there is no chance of any petroleum residue that might cause problems with the paint. The orange foam came right off with a wire brush just as others have reported.
  • I did not sand the surface after cleaning it with denatured alcohol, nor did I sand between coats. I just rolled on a good primer, then followed that with two coats of the best quality satin finish exterior latex house paint available from The Home Depot. The paint pro at The Home Depot advised to use an exterior paint because exterior paints are designed to better handle expansion and contraction, and should therefore be less likely to crack from the temperature changes inside the truck.
  • A 6 inch paint roller worked great, with just a little brush work required on some of the tighter inside corners. I love the resulting texture. There are a few places where it is sandpaper-rough that in hindsight I might have sanded a little between coats.
That's it. Just take your time and be patient.

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August 2021 update --- Scroll down to post #36 to see current pics of the painted headliner in my truck.
 
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RRoverPaisa

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:iwojima:

Before we can call this a victory we need to see pictures. It sounds very promising and very curious to how it turned out. Please post pics. Never would of thought to use paint from the home depot. I mean I am always tempted to do an ABS plumbing tube for a snorkle but never thought about utilizing the paint dept.
 

03D2

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Thanks for the info. I will be dealing with my headliner this summer most likely and I'm planning on getting the board coated with line-x then color matching the stock fabric color with paint. Glad i'm not the only one wanting to ditch the fabric all together. Can we get some after pics to see what the headliner board looks like after the fabric is removed?
 

RRoverPaisa

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Thought about the line-x idea too but it seems its going to cost over $200 to do it. Let me know what you end up paying in the end. My headliner is just begining to sag and will wait a bit longer as I sort other issues with my disco first before plowing $200-$300 on a linex headliner. My only concerns with line x is that it might be a bit over kill and heavy but I am a huge fan of line-x.
 

Civick_Spyder

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You used latex paint? I would imagine that stuff doesn't hold up very well but I've never tried it on anything but walls. Glad your project went well. Last time I tried to do my headliner I line-X'ed it a beautiful color match and set it in my front driveway to dry and someone pulled up in a truck and stole it. My whole headliner! And panels! Now I'm forced to stare at a fugly bare metal roof until I find another one.
 

QuickSilver

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Civick_Spyder said:
You used latex paint? I would imagine that stuff doesn't hold up very well but I've never tried it on anything but walls. Glad your project went well. Last time I tried to do my headliner I line-X'ed it a beautiful color match and set it in my front driveway to dry and someone pulled up in a truck and stole it. My whole headliner! And panels! Now I'm forced to stare at a fugly bare metal roof until I find another one.

Three words, The Castle Doctrine.
 

mlnnc

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I tried to post pics but was unable to do so. (DWEB wouldn't allow it.) Haven't others been saying that the DWEB photo upload isn't working?

I suppose I could try one of the third-party photo hosting sites. Which ones are easiest to use? I have a Rover; I don't need more hassles in my life.
 

mlnnc

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If the latex paint doesn't hold up I can just get out the roller or the brush and touch it up. I used only half the quart I bought.
 
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jycsalas

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I used 3 cans of flat black spray paint on mine because I have black interior..... never going back to fabric. and it has held up great.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jycsalas/Headliner#

Only thing i did was BRUSH off the old glue as it came of very easy.

On a DI, (AS PER OWNERS REQUEST) I color matched the paint with satin latex finish.

I used a few coats of kilz primer 1st, then I rolled on the color matched paint with a roller. Owner was very pleased.

It being a 97 DI, the glue was very hard to come off in some areas and it had to remain. In the end, it just left a more textured surface here and there...
 

mlnnc

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Alex,

I did not need to remove the plastic trim panels that surround the rear side windows. I just removed the fasteners that hold them in place and was able to pull them in and down far enough that the shell could be pulled forward and then out past them.

One tip I forgot to mention before is that when reinstalling the shell you should first place the front end of the shell as far forward as possible, essentially laying it on the dash. That allows you to then clear the rear side panels before you slide it back and behind them.

It's a bit of a wrestling match to get everything out and then get it back in place, but the shell flexes enough to allow you to get the job done.
 

yesmar

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hey i did this a couple months back, but never got around to painting it. i just cleaned it off and threw it back up. im planing on taking it down and finishing it. do you have any advise on those net,? map holders in the head board?. i already broke one of the clips on one of them the first time around?
thank you
 

lcater

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What is the impact to the interior noise level going with a painted non-headliner roof vs one that retains it's headliner?
 

mlnnc

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In my opinion the acoustic value of the headliner fabric and foam is negligible. The fabric and foam are quite thin, and the headliner shell is a sandwich of what appears to be about 3/16" of closed cell foam between two thin fiberglass layers. I therefore think that exterior sound is absorbed mostly by the shell, with only some interior acoustic dampening being provided by the soft headliner.

If you really wanted to reduce noise you could take the opportunity of having the shell out to install some acoustic dampening material on any available exposed sheet metal on the roof interior before reinstalling the shell.

That said, my observations are in the context of my roof rack that adds a LOT of noise!
 

03D2

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Civick_Spyder said:
You used latex paint? I would imagine that stuff doesn't hold up very well but I've never tried it on anything but walls. Glad your project went well. Last time I tried to do my headliner I line-X'ed it a beautiful color match and set it in my front driveway to dry and someone pulled up in a truck and stole it. My whole headliner! And panels! Now I'm forced to stare at a fugly bare metal roof until I find another one.

Around how much did they charge you to line-x the liner? I dont plan on spending $200-$300 for the line-x. Since it will be purely cosmetic they can just lay the texture coat thick enough so it covers the panel with no bare spots then they will be using very little chemical to spray it.