Dealer can't find problem!!!
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One of the main reasons I very rarely get on these message boards any more, dealership tech bashing! WE are not all bad! I've helped tons of you guys with diffrent problems on your trucks but when you just keep bashing us we eventually are going to stop giving FREE advise! Just my two cents. Thanks for standing up for us Mike! And 5.0 engine jobs suck!
Can you please elaborate on this? Some folks here might one day consider buying a 5.0 Jag V8 Rover and it would be helpful to know what the challenges are.
Well typically the water pumps leak, then the engine over heats and melts down. So we have to replace the engine and to do that you have to pull the body off the chassis. Alot of work for little pay!
Jeeeeeeeeeez.....I guess I won't be ever buying one of these vehicles then.....lol
Imagine ebay in 10 years..."Range Rover Sport, 2010...needs water pump".....lololol
Firstly, you don't have to pull the body, but it is nice to be able to assemble the motor completely without the body in the way. Secondly, our dealership has only done 2 motors in 5.0L trucks, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Its a good motor.
I used to be a Buick tech and I left working on cars for 3 reasons, bitching customers that would claim you did something to their car nowhere near the area of the vehicle you were working even though zero maintenance since car was new till you were asked to change a bulb now their car is knocking or whatever
Having a douche writer that would assign me all the diagnosis work and give the repairs to the other guys so they make easy $
And any work in did get was warrenty and not paying my time, so these are truths
On the flip side I took my d1 to rover of cherry hill n.j. the writer said they could reset my ecm base settings and program my spare remote, was stucvk on high idle
Told him DO NOT DIAGNOSE IT DO NOT DRILL THE PLUG IN THE PLENUM
OK no problem, $175 later I got a wash job and told we cannot reset the ecm on that vehicle, yes they charged meoh and can't program the remote
So I drive to va. Stuck on high idle and check the oil and find they drilled my plenum and cranked the screw all the way down
So that trip to the dealer cost me $175 + a replacement plenum so who is to blame the writer? The tech? Me for thinking I would get competent service ESP at that high price?
Later I drove 2 hours to north jersey and a great Indy shop charged $20 for the reset so....
Having a douche writer that would assign me all the diagnosis work and give the repairs to the other guys so they make easy $
And any work in did get was warrenty and not paying my time, so these are truths
On the flip side I took my d1 to rover of cherry hill n.j. the writer said they could reset my ecm base settings and program my spare remote, was stucvk on high idle
Told him DO NOT DIAGNOSE IT DO NOT DRILL THE PLUG IN THE PLENUM
OK no problem, $175 later I got a wash job and told we cannot reset the ecm on that vehicle, yes they charged meoh and can't program the remote
So I drive to va. Stuck on high idle and check the oil and find they drilled my plenum and cranked the screw all the way down
So that trip to the dealer cost me $175 + a replacement plenum so who is to blame the writer? The tech? Me for thinking I would get competent service ESP at that high price?
Later I drove 2 hours to north jersey and a great Indy shop charged $20 for the reset so....
Never said it wasen't a good engine, people just are not smart enough to check their coolant or stop driveing when temp gauge is pegged out. We've done 4 5.0L engines and you can leave the body on but it makes it twice as hard to do the job and proper Land Rover procedure says to remove it. I agree it is a good engine overall.
[QUOTE="OFFROVER, post: 982320, member: 4473"]e, people just are not smart enough to check their coolant or
This seems to be the biggest issue with rovers and I would guess most high end $ cars
Or change/check fluids till the engine is knocking or smoking bad or just won't run
This seems to be the biggest issue with rovers and I would guess most high end $ cars
Or change/check fluids till the engine is knocking or smoking bad or just won't run
Actually I think what hurts us will make us stronger, the days of the solid axles vehicles pretty much a thing of the past, but not for us.
The band of brothers will remain, carry on my way ward sons!
The turn over on techs are pretty high for reasons noted below. Thats why is hard to find dealships to work on the older vehicles , you right on.
I ve talked with Land Rover North America on this problem , I suggested authorized service centers in the private sector but that went over like a lead ballon. They want it all. Oh well.
I could be wrong, but isn't part of the issue with messing with the base idle adjustment screw that its next to impossible to get it back to the factory setting? Unless the tech happened to count exactly how much he turned that screw and then happened to actually relay that info to the owner, which seems unlikely.
Wow this thread has gone a little of topic. That is what I love about this site.
Hey Nomar! Yes it is at Roanoke Land Rover. It is now Burgland Land Rover. Not sure when it changed hands. You going to The Wilds this year?
Update: Land Rover service guy called back. It was initially the service guy from Mercedes Benz part of dealership (still no excuse). The Rover service guy was at training and very helpfull. Turns out he wheels an LR3.
Their diagnosis was that one side of the used ignition coils were bad. And that it had been running so bad that it fouled the plugs. There suggestion is to put new coil and plugs. I was already into it for 3-4 hours of labor with diagnosis so went ahead and having them fix it. He said he would see if he can reduce labor rate and get me some kind of deal. I will let you know what kind of "deal" he gives me.
Hey Nomar! Yes it is at Roanoke Land Rover. It is now Burgland Land Rover. Not sure when it changed hands. You going to The Wilds this year?
Update: Land Rover service guy called back. It was initially the service guy from Mercedes Benz part of dealership (still no excuse). The Rover service guy was at training and very helpfull. Turns out he wheels an LR3.
Their diagnosis was that one side of the used ignition coils were bad. And that it had been running so bad that it fouled the plugs. There suggestion is to put new coil and plugs. I was already into it for 3-4 hours of labor with diagnosis so went ahead and having them fix it. He said he would see if he can reduce labor rate and get me some kind of deal. I will let you know what kind of "deal" he gives me.
this is why we, like almost all shops, would have suggested starting with known good parts. sometimes a good used part is good, but sometimes that part goes bad simply from removing it...
glad to hear you are finally getting your truck fixed.
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whenever you mess with idle/CO screws you need a gas analyzer hooked to the exhaust stream.
Glad it seems to be working out for you, the Buick dealer I worked used to credit part of the diagnosis fee toward. The labor for repair so you would not take it somewhere cheaper for the repair, this way they made diagnosis $ , repair labor $, and parts $ plus you feel like you were getting a deal
The tech cranked the screw in tight on my plenum so to me it is worthless, that plug is not supposed to be removed I believe even the rave states it I could be wrong.
It is like the old computer carbs with plugs on the front, guys would remove plugs and turn screws thinking they were adjusting mixture but all they were doingis screwing up the Carb/ computer those screws need something hooked up to read dwell angle on GM cars iirc
The tech cranked the screw in tight on my plenum so to me it is worthless, that plug is not supposed to be removed I believe even the rave states it I could be wrong.
It is like the old computer carbs with plugs on the front, guys would remove plugs and turn screws thinking they were adjusting mixture but all they were doingis screwing up the Carb/ computer those screws need something hooked up to read dwell angle on GM cars iirc