Detroit with VC
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Honestly I would pull the BW and replace it with an LT230. It made a HUGE difference in the wheeling capability of my truck. While I am putting a Detroit in the rear of my truck because my center pin on my rear diff is failing, I would suggest that you do the Tcase first and the locker second.
The RRC with an LT230 and open diffs is as capable as a BW with a rear locker. If you have both then you are really getting somewhere.
Chad, I didn't realize it was you till after I wrote the above. I decided to go with the Detroit and Rovertracks rear axles. Denny has ARB's front and rear with the BW and his front axles does not get the power that you would expect. He had a little trouble with the mud hole on cneter trail and I motored right through with the LT230.
The RRC with an LT230 and open diffs is as capable as a BW with a rear locker. If you have both then you are really getting somewhere.
Chad, I didn't realize it was you till after I wrote the above. I decided to go with the Detroit and Rovertracks rear axles. Denny has ARB's front and rear with the BW and his front axles does not get the power that you would expect. He had a little trouble with the mud hole on cneter trail and I motored right through with the LT230.
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Cost mostly, I can get the detroit and uprated axles for the same as the ARB, plus there are no other systems to have to depend on, you know the more complicated a system is the more likely it is to fail due to some insignificant detail like a leaky o-ring or bad compressor.
ccollins said:
Terribly.
You're going to need the LT-230 to get anything out of the detroit.
And even if you're into sub-standard locker performance, the addition of the detroit will smoke your VC in a hurry on the trail.
luvs2getmuddy said:
It performs flawlessly?
Where?
On the street?
Or on some trail where you never needed a locker in the first place?
What exactly do you think is going on inside your BW with an open front and a locked up rear?
JSQ said:
I am not going to start a fight with you over who is the more hardcore wheeler. I will, however say, that I do wheel my truck HEAVILY(wet/rock climbs/mud holes, etc), and believe me, that locker came into play more than once.
Do enlighten me.
Same here, almost 5 years with VC/Detroit rear - ARB front.
NO problems so far, as soon as the VC takes a dump I will replace with the LT-230.
Not a lot of crazy ass rock climbing stuff here in south Florida, lots of mud, sand, stuff like that..
and I tow a +/- 5,000 Lbs trailer/boat combo.
Simon.
NO problems so far, as soon as the VC takes a dump I will replace with the LT-230.
Not a lot of crazy ass rock climbing stuff here in south Florida, lots of mud, sand, stuff like that..
and I tow a +/- 5,000 Lbs trailer/boat combo.
Simon.
As I mentioned above, while wheeling behind my buddy who has ARBs front and rear with a BW, his front axle will turn at one speed and his rear at another, I have witnessed this on two occassions both involving mud, back tires in the hole front out of the hole, he had trouble getting out of the hole and had to back up several times. Had they been locked with a LT230 this would not have occured. I had open diffs and a locked CDL and had no trouble.
luvs2getmuddy said:
luvs2getmuddy said:
It's enlightenment that luvs2getmuddy is seeking?
Well then I can be of assistance.
We will try to illuminate the oh-so-complicated principles behind running an open diff and a locker on either side of a viscous coupling, but first let's see if we can shed some light on luvs2getmuddy's experience and perspective.
Let's look at luvs2getmuddy's background:
-He's a public servant in the Candian governemnt with the lofty aspiration of one day becoming "some sort of supervisor" by the time he is 30.
-He loves monopoly, but no one will play with him.
-He's a jeeper that has had his beater RRC for less than two years.
Now let's look at what luvs2getmuddy's knows about modifying Land Rovers:
-He's into sweet mods like swapping a disco steering wheel into his RRC, but hasn't quite figured out how to pull it off yet.
-He's ready to install a shitter pipe snorkel and turn his RRC into a submarine.
-He wants to Lincoln-Locker 10 spline drivetrain.
-He thinks cross-drilled and slotted rotors are bad for fourwheeling.
-He painted his old beater fucking-sandglow-poseur-yellow.
Now let's look at what luvs2getmuddy knows about tech:
-He thinks the Disco1 and Disco2 have their differentials on opposite sides.
-He thinks the LT-230 is not suitable for rock crawling unless it is "upgraded".
-He can't tell the difference between a blown t-case, a blown diff, a broken axle or a CV.
-He can't even diagnose a bad starter without help.
-The last time he used the word "flawlessly" to describe how a part functioned it was when he put the fuel pump motor from an 89 Chevy Cavalier into his RRC and it wouldn't start.
And lastly let's look at the kind of fourwheeling that luvs2getmuddy does:
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Now that we know a little bit about luvs2getmuddy we can try to "enlighten" him.
Let's remind him that he is a total fucking clueless poseur who's had his truck only long enough to break it on rookie trails. He also might think about the fact that he can't possibly have had a detroit for more than about three months since in June of this year he was posting about his open diffs. He has no experience and he doesn't know shit about tech.
luvs2getmuddy needs to:
Shut the fuck up.
Sit down.
Listen.
And learn.
Then maybe he'll be able to understand that the Open/Viscous/Locker set up cannot function properly. The BW tcase acts as a limited slip between the front and rear axles and can only transfer part of the torque within its design specification. Once those parameters are exceeded disproportionately the path of least resistance is overcome and either the VC fails entirely or it simply lets torque drive only the open front diff effectively resulting in one wheel drive. Increase tire size and you only accelerate the process.
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Wow, that is impressive Jack. Talk about dedication to pwning newbs.
I have front and rear ARB's that I will sell you if you want to stick with the ten spline stuff. PM me for details.
I have front and rear ARB's that I will sell you if you want to stick with the ten spline stuff. PM me for details.
KevinNY said:
nope I disagree
see the difference is jack actually is out doing what he talks about.
I have issues with people that post about stuff they heard or read about...but if they were out doing it, watching it ,and seeing it happen first hand then let it rip.
calling Jack a steve young is just not correct and some how puts steve young in a class he sure never deserved to be includded in:rofl:
as it applies to this post when crawling a detroit is almost invisable until you lock the CDL on a LT230 the reason for this is what jack is talking about with the BW all the time. The BW will transfer the torque away from the locked end of the truck until it reaches it biasing ratio. thats really not a good thing offroad nd sure not ideal.
Yeah it does, an unlocked LT is like having one wheel drive. When the BW dies my RRC will get an LT. JSQ can come up with some shit.
Problem is Jacqui gets off on putting people down instead of helping. He also thinks he is the worlds greatest authority on anything he speaks of, a huge sign of immaturity and the corollary to SY. Sometimes Jackie has it right, but he feels the need to be a little big man in the way he delivers it. I've tried to speak to him directly but he has refused to be civil so I have written him off as a small man on both the inside and out.
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