Ethanol is stupid

[garrett]

"is the stupidest idea since taking down Saddam."

Care to elaborate?

You expected him to get away with multiple counts of genocide?

our own founding fathers did. do some reading and take a look at who's on the front of the twenty dollar bill.

now back to this ethenol stuff. i might be consider some sort of hippie on this board, but i'm not a fan of hybrids or the current product values of ethenol. the large scale production that is happening now is like Howard Hughs drinking his own piss. it's counter productive at this point.

i'd rather light up a fattie and hang out at Bio Willies.

 

[GrandLordKhorne]

agbuckle98: Yes, it could come back, in the atmosphere. You ready to live in a really moist world with plenty of rain?


On the up side to hydrogen. If we started building fuel cells like gang busters, I would have so much work X-raying them for QC that I would not know what to do with my self and the pile of money I would make.

 

[agbuckle98]

agbuckle98: Yes, it could come back, in the atmosphere. You ready to live in a really moist world with plenty of rain?


On the up side to hydrogen. If we started building fuel cells like gang busters, I would have so much work X-raying them for QC that I would not know what to do with my self and the pile of money I would make.

I didn't say I was a fan of hydrogen either, it also takes massive amounts of energy to produce, but as far as tailpipe emmissions go, it is the cleanest. That's what realy irks me about alternative fuels though. Everyone is so concerned with what comes out the tailpipe of a car, that they can't get past it and dont care how many trout streams were destroyed in making their "clean" fuel.
Tons of fuel cells (powered by METHANOL) would also do wonders for my wallet's health.

 

[Leslie]

Methanol is more corrosive than ethanol, tho'.

I don't like the corn prices going up for food because it's being diverted into fuel use.

However, if they can get cellulose-based ethanol onto market, and use corn that's only excess to the food market's needs, using it in a combination with still using gas, then it would be "okay". Perfect? Absolutely not. I don't see it as a replacement for gasoline, only a supplement.

I just bought a truck. It happens to have a flex-fuel engine. I didn't "want" a flex-fuel vehicle, but, when you're shopping through the '07s when the lot is starting to fill with '08's, you take what you find. There's not E85 within a hundred miles of me, and, even if there was, unless it was cheap enough to come out that my cost-per-mile is better than on gas, I'd still use gas.

Hmmm............ I wonder if I could get the truck to run on moonshine? Chappy, I think I have a new plan here..... build a still and brew my own fuel.....

 

[jim-00-4.6]

Either that or sit down and take a senses of what people do, take everyone that dose not constructively contribute to the world and slaughter them whole sale than repeat every 5 years. That is the long and short of it, plane and simple

I'll agree to this, but only if we can also slaughter everyone whose grammar, spelling and punctuation is so completely fucking atrocious that it gives the reader a headache trying to decipher the meaning buried amongst the gibberish.

 

[gil stevens]

I'll agree to this, but only if we can also slaughter everyone whose grammar, spelling and punctuation is so completely fucking atrocious that it gives the reader a headache trying to decipher the meaning buried amongst the gibberish.

:jester:


methanol makes my car go faster.. :moon:

 

[Azdiscovery]

:jester:


methanol makes my car go faster.. :moon:

methanol is good stuff for sure.

 

[nelgyarg]

There is always the Brazilian alternative....sugar cane!
thier return on investment is 8 fold, hence thier gas prices are about $1.19 a gallon!
more efficient, cost effective, and it will keep the cost of my corn flakes resonable.
just my hippy two cents worth.

Flame away

 

[ptschram]

Everyone is so concerned with what comes out the tailpipe of a car, that they can't get past it and dont care how many trout streams were destroyed in making their "clean" fuel.

Had the same mentality to deal with when I did the EH&S gig. From both sides of the fence sadly. On one side, I had management telling me to beat down my disposal contractors, but the instant I started looking at processes (trying to reduce wastes generated), you'd think I was leering at their 16 Y/O daughter. They always wanted to push the costs on my department and refused toa ccept responsibility for wasteful manufacturing processes.

Then you get the stupid hippies who say things like the nitrous oxide in your balloon is causing ozone depletion while completely ignoring the fact they drove to the concert where they're protesting the hippie crack.

 

[agbuckle98]

There is always the Brazilian alternative....sugar cane!
thier return on investment is 8 fold, hence thier gas prices are about $1.19 a gallon!
more efficient, cost effective, and it will keep the cost of my corn flakes resonable.
just my hippy two cents worth.

Flame away

Sugar cane is a MUCH more effecient crop to make ethanol from, but since we don't have the climate to grow sugar cane here, we use stupid corn.

 

[jim-00-4.6]

There is always the Brazilian alternative....sugar cane!
thier return on investment is 8 fold, hence thier gas prices are about $1.19 a gallon!
more efficient, cost effective, and it will keep the cost of my corn flakes resonable.
just my hippy two cents worth.

Flame away

only if you don't put sugar on your cornflakes.

 

[rovercanus]

Sugar cane is a MUCH more effecient crop to make ethanol from, but since we don't have the climate to grow sugar cane here, we use stupid corn.

Well shit, you don't want to use the smart corn!

 

[Leslie]

Sugar cane is a MUCH more effecient crop to make ethanol from, but since we don't have the climate to grow sugar cane here, we use stupid corn.

Hey! Global warming will take care of that! We'll be able to grow sugar corn here, and use it for ethanol, and gasoline won't be needed anymore!

 

[jim-00-4.6]

Hey! Global warming will take care of that! We'll be able to grow sugar corn here, and use it for ethanol, and gasoline won't be needed anymore!

Yeah, but then the earth will cool again, since we've eliminated gasoline, which everyone knows is the root of all ecological evil. Then what happens to your sugar plantation in Minnesota?
Oh, wait, I know! You can get farm subsidies!

 

[garrett]

There is always the Brazilian alternative....sugar cane!
thier return on investment is 8 fold, hence thier gas prices are about $1.19 a gallon!
more efficient, cost effective, and it will keep the cost of my corn flakes resonable.
just my hippy two cents worth.

Flame away

i highly doubt there is much (if any) sugar cane in your corn flakes. it's high fructose corn syrup which is made from corn. genetically modified corn in most cases. a cheap substitute to use in place of pure sugar, which is made from sugar cane.
HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) has more fructose than sugar, which has been shown in studies to damage the liver and cause other heath issues. HFCS is a pretty nasty ingredient. but that's another story.

 

[GrandLordKhorne]

Jim-00-4.6

I'll agree to this, but only if we can also slaughter everyone whose grammar, spelling and punctuation is so completely fucking atrocious that it gives the reader a headache trying to decipher the meaning buried amongst the gibberish.

I don?t know, I never put much stock in English lingo, grammar or spelling? Seeing as most of the most intelligent and useful people out there cant spell or have terrible grammar. But we could compromise and kill off the workers at Microsoft that don?t make software good enough to take car of the lingo barrier?

 

[garrett]

Jim-00-4.6



I don?t know, I never put much stock in English lingo, grammar or spelling? Seeing as most of the most intelligent and useful people out there cant spell or have terrible grammar. But we could compromise and kill off the workers at Microsoft that don?t make software good enough to take car of the lingo barrier?

huh? i think being able to spell and use proper grammar are very fundamental requirements of being even remotely smart. if not, then where do you start?
i don't know very many intelligent people out there that can't spell, use proper English and grammar.
if you're not capable of these very elementary skills you're more than likely at the bottom of the food chain.

 

[GrandLordKhorne]

^ I will point out Albert Einstein, who was dyslexic, which is what I am (I was one of the first few who where actually certified as such in MI back in the 1980’s, it made school really interesting). I don’t really think I need to point out any other names per say. But what I would point out is independent of dyslexia most of the people I want to collage with (who are now all engineers and scientists) where very poor spellers and had terrible grammar. Though mine is probably the worst.

Having said that, you get the brunt of it here because this is a forum, which means I type in word, correct what I can to the best of my abilities and post. If this was a scientific journal or something I would have my wife proof read and help me make corrections, but here I’m not willing to ask her to waist her time on such things.

On the other end of things, I went to engineering and science collages with some of the best and brightest and I will be completely honest, in my whole collage career I had to take 2 “English” courses, neither of which taught us a thing about spelling or grammar. We where forced to buy a book called “A Guide to Writing as an Engineer” and told to fallow the rules in it for writing papers.

 

[nelgyarg]

Ive learned not to use any particular "rule of thumb" to gauge a person's intelect.

I moved from Boston to a tiny town in northern Maine called Danforth, many years back, and I swore if I had fifty more bucks in my pocket, I could have been the leader of those mental midgets up there...
as time went on, I slowly came to realize that most of the people in Danforth took for granted knowlege that just flat out escaped me.

People are all different, I have a 142 I.Q., and I spell like crap, which irks my mother no end, since she has her Phd in English.

I believe that a decent command of our native tongue is a sign of an improved intelect, but I dont think that I am in any possition to judge anyone based solely on thier ability,or inability to spell, enunciate, or elecute properly.

my two cents...Canadian, so its really worthless! haha

 

[antichrist]

I'll agree to this, but only if we can also slaughter everyone whose grammar, spelling and punctuation is so completely fucking atrocious that it gives the reader a headache trying to decipher the meaning buried amongst the gibberish.

:rofl: It's gotten to the point where I skip right over every post of his.