Farewell to the Season

[JSQ]

Here are pics of our last trip to Arizona this season.

Late season birds proved wary and formidable.
Each day was epic and Madeline proved herself the consumate veteran and dedicated athlete.

I particularly enjoyed brining along my newly accquired upland carry pistol, a pre-war Smith and Wesson 4th model hand-ejector M&P 38SPL.

As always the Rangie love was in effect.
A stocker is a thing of beauty.



Lyke as a huntsman after weary chace,
Seeing the game from him escapt away,
Sits downe to rest him in some shady place,
- Edmund Spenser

 

[sven]

I like those early SW revolvers. I have a Model 19 and Model 17 (357 and 22). They are newer than yours (1960s), but they look similar. Very cool!

 

[JSQ]

Tell me about Tri-tronics collars blah blah blah..

"This message is hidden because the user in on your ignore list"

 

[JSQ]

Gee, sorry Sus, I tried to respond to your question about whether or not I was using a tracking collar or an e-correction collar, but I realized it's pointless because you can't even see my responses!

EDIT:
Oh look! Now you've deleted your post.
It's totally like it never happened.
Or maybe someone else had logged on with your name and posted that question like you explained happens all the time, but luckily you caught it and were able to delete there erroneous inquiry.

 

[MUSKYMAN]

ding...round 2

 

[Roverlady]

Nope Jack, I deleted that post BEFORE you responded (around 4pm EST I think it was)because I figured asking a nice, normal question would get me in trouble.

As always, my prediction was correct. Have a nice hunt.

 

[JSQ]

Nope Jack, I deleted that post BEFORE you responded (around 4pm EST I think it was)because I figured asking a nice, normal question would get me in trouble.

As always, my prediction was correct. Have a nice hunt.

At what time will you be deleting this one?

 

[Roverlady]

Jack,
perhaps you would like this Spenser sonnet as well:

"Shall I then silent be or shall I speake?
And if I speake, her wrath renew I shall....."

 

[JSQ]

Jack,
perhaps you would like this Spenser sonnet as well:

"Shall I then silent be or shall I speake?
And if I speake, her wrath renew I shall....."

Did that come from one of the million stickers plastered on Ivan's beater rangie or something?

 

[Roverlady]

LOL, now I know you can do better than that! What about all the stupid stickers on my truck? Or maybe my mixed breed dogs?

You don't like sharing poetry? You posted some with your photo gallery.

Speaking of sonnets, Happy Valentine's Day Jack! Kiss kiss!!

 

[Roverlady]

And I really am interested in Tri-tronics collars and e-correction while hunting....you know, when ever you are ready to talk about the subject of this thread.

 

[JSQ]

LOL, now I know you can do better than that! What about all the stupid stickers on my truck? Or maybe my mixed breed dogs?

What is this business you've referred to repeatedly now about the substandard genetic heritage of your dog?

Is this something you're insecure about?
You seem awfully concerned about it.

I for one am not.
Nor have I ever expressed any reservations on this board about the pedigree of your dog or anyone elses.

You see the salient difference here?
When I post something about you, I can easily and readily demonstrate the factual nature of my statement. Right away I can link to examples of the disappointing behavior or contradiction.
But you can't.

I defy you to.
Show me where I talked about dog breeding?

You can't.
Because you're just making shit up and it's pathetic.

And I really am interested in Tri-tronics collars and e-correction while hunting....you know, when ever you are ready to talk about the subject of this thread.

Well are you or aren't you?
For goodness sake, make up your fucking mind.

First you ask a question. Then you delete it. Then you post it again.
I'm on your ignore list. Now I'm not.
You named your dog Decker. You don't call him Decker. You partly call him Decker.
You posted. Your sister posted. Now it's you again.

Just get your story straight.
The erratic, contradictory and self-incriminating nature of your posts is what leads you down the path to these logical pitfalls time and again.
Think more. Post less.
There will be less fluff and you won't look quite as stupid.

The fact that you have now, in desperation, tried to imply that i'm "off-topic" is even more ridiculous and makes your feeble arguments all the more laughable.

I didn't start a thread about tri-tronics. I didn't start a thread about dog training and e-collars.
I posted a link to a gallery of pics of a hunting trip. The only specific subject matter I addressed was the quality of the birds, dog work, my new pistol and the performance of my P38, and briefly at that.

This is reminiscent of when you told me I was "off-topic" for posting in a thread where you refrenced me in the intial post. I don't see anything about you in the beginning of this thread? But here you are all the same. And for someone who purportedly wants no interaction whatsoever with me, I find it hard to understand how your comments would be relevant to any thread I start. But here you are all the same.

Speaking of sonnets, Happy Valentine's Day Jack! Kiss kiss!!

I know you are trying to affect some sort of disingenuous, tongue-in-cheek smugness, but you really aren't fooling anyone.

If there is one thing I hope I can help you come to terms with, it's that you care.

You care deeply.
You care every bit as much as I do.

Please don't continue denying it. This hopeless charade is laughable at best and embarassing and pathetic at worst.

I'm on your "ignore" list, yet you respond to my posts.
I'm not worth your time, but you continue to refer to me and seek me out.
You try to retract all the complimentary things you've said and disavow all your prior affections, but even now in the face of your reversal you just can't stay away.
You're still looking at my pics. You're still reading my posts. You're still posting in my threads.
You've even got poor Ivan involved. He's no dwebber. This isn't his bag. But now, mysteriously, with only 18 posts to his name since the reboot in 2004 he's posting and deleting in this very thread. Was he just doing he's daily dweb surfing and happened by it? His avid interest in hunting made him seek it out?
I think not.
Ivan is here, because you brought him here.
You are so upset, you care so much, that you've sought out aid and solace from your husband.
I'm only now realizing that the ISV12 of this thread is the same who's mental strangulation made itself known in the outbursts of the "Banned" thread. You brought him to that thread just as you made him aware of this one. I could be wrong but I believe the date of birth in Ivan's profile has mysteriously changed. I could have sworn he represented himself as an old man at the time of the "Banned" thread to hide his connection to you. Certainly, neither he nor you made plain your connection then, but I should have been able to figure it out all the same.
Regardless his very presence is the most irrefutable evidence that your feelings about me and dweb permeate well into your daily existence.

Please, for your own sake, abandon this ridiculous claim that you don't care.
You're surpassing even Corey Shuman and Daniel Covaciu.

Accept the fact that you care. Come to terms with it. And move forward.
Who knows? You might make progress yet.

 

[nosivad_bor]

Daniel Covaciu has no balls

 

[JSQ]

Daniel Covaciu has no balls

he certainly didn't.

 

[Roverlady]

LOL Jack! You are so deeply upset by the fact that I put you on my ignore list that you continue to mention it! I never said I KEPT you there...I never said I wouldn't look at your pictures or compliment your adventures. YOU told me I shouldn't....YOU said that I needed to realize that you didn't really care about what I had written to you in the past. Yet you are the one who continued to seek out my posts and respond. We've never discussed dog breeding before, but you are so intent on pointing out the flaws of those who can't afford what you think is necessary for Rover ownership, that I lumped them all together. I apologize for my assumptions there.

And, I did not bring Ivan into anything. You did. You mention him, yet he has never talked with you before and could care less if he ever does again. He came here because he read what you wrote and he was angry. I'll guarantee you one thing, he meant everything he wrote and he certainly would be happy to meet you in person should you ever care to SAY the things you so easily type. You don't know him and you won't want to now that you have so blatantly come after me in earlier posts. He's just not the kind to have an argument over the internet; he'd much rather be face to face.

You see Jack, YOU started all of this crap about me being a poseur and driving a beater. Yet, I never claimed to be anything that you dislike. I post about dogs and cars and the few things I know. I don't post in stupid battles with people and I don't claim to be the greatest answer to off-roading or Land Rover knowledge that ever lived. I keep my truck clean, I don't fab stupid modifications that deface what I think is a perfectly nice vehicle. I don't attack other people for doing what they like and I never attacked YOU until you got your feelings hurt.

You're right. This fight is between you and me...and I'll admit I'm an adrenaline junky. You want to call names and draw swords; I'm just not the kind of girl to step down. But when you, for no reason whatsoever, decided to pull up everything that I've said to you in the past and all the 'fluff' that I've posted that has so horribly wronged you...then you asked for my responses. Leave Ivan out of it; you're much better off to do just that, believe me.

The saddest thing to me is that I don't have time to sit around and wait for your posts to come through and to sit in front of the computer all night reading responses and looking at pictures! And speaking of those, I thought TO BE ON TOPIC, I would ask about the collar your dog is so obviously wearing for hunting in the pictures YOU posted. I deleted the post thinking that you would probably have a snide remark to make and would choose NOT to have a normal conversation with me as you so often seek with others on this board. You then read my post and chose to respond in a childish manner. So, you want to talk about dogs and hunting or do you want to talk about this ridiculous obsession you have with arguing with me and all the rest of the people on the East Coast you've never met?

Why is it that everything I post is considered fluff to you, yet I don't see you jumping on all the other people on here who REALLY constitute this 'new' dweb you seem to hate so much. Figure it out Jack. Decide what kind of conversation you want to have. Want to make it personal or not? Why make everything so public either? Why not give me a call? I'll be happy to email you my phone number...better yet, I've got unlimited minutes, let's say I give you a call and we talk about this like adults, eh?

 

[JSQ]

I'm happy to see that you are finally coming to terms with the fact that you cannot remove yourself at will from dweb or your obsessive conflict with me. It almost seems as if your previous dogged denial of your own contradiction might be fading, and that is the first step.

You seem to know that there is no escaping that you do, in fact, care.
What you continue to be confused about is that I have never made any such disavowals about my own investment. For whatever reason, like all losers, you were so drawn to the "I don't care" argument that you couldn't to see the failure in logic that makes it so abhorrent to me. The same unpleasant and ironic contradiction that would prevent me from ever invoking it. For this reason you expect me to defend my own intentions after you have finally succumbed to the insurmountable weight of the obvious and done your best to grapple with your own conflicted interests. But I have no such need, because I have owned my commitment from the beginning.

I am upset.

Not about whether or not you "ignore" me. Or whether your crude ignorant and bigoted husband threatens me via dweb, or whether he would do so in person. I'm not even upset by the absurdly false claims you put forth without any evidence or foundation and logic. I'm not upset by your pathetic attempts to inject class, wealth, education and status into arguments where they have never been a factor. This is your not so subtle rallying cry to the mediocre and average compatriots that you embrace. You hope it will draw them to your aid, and at times they respond, but to little avail. You might draw comfort from these falsities, but they do little to aggravate me. Your attempts are so feeble and your arguments are so weak, they simply don't merit concern.

What does merit attention is something that you too have managed to focus upon. It upsets me. It disappoints me.

You feel my criticism of you is newfound. You find it in contradiction to my previous jocular interaction. The reality is not quite as you perceive it, but it is similar.

I have ALWAYS been disappointed by your endless and meaningless inane posting on dweb. However, I allowed myself to be restrained by your constant and meaningless pleasantries. I set about correcting people whose detriment to dweb was far far less and longstanding than your own, because you were a woman and because you were "nice". The reality is that I should have called you out on your bullshit worthless post marathon long long ago. But I didn't. And that upsets me.

Even when at long last I held up a single vapid example of your handiwork as representative of the larger degradation of dweb, I merely used you as a nearly anonymous sampling of the larger problem. It was hardly the personal attack you took it to be. But when you took such offense, and set about so ardently, aligning yourself with the moron hordes and defending their right to run dweb into the ground, that is when it all became clear for me. You were not harmless. You were not just as bad. You were, in fact, worse than most. You were that way, because like others I had let you become beyond reproach, something that no one on dweb, including myself, will ever be.

It's inconsistency and bias on my part that upsets me.

But I'm doing my very best to correct it.

 

[JSQ]

Just so you don't think I'm letting your other bullshit go unnoticed:

Yet you are the one who continued to seek out my posts and respond.

Take the time and look for once. Do it BEFORE you type. You may well have convinced yourself that what you think is true, but if you will merely do a quick search for confirmation you'll find your evidence severly lacking.

Shall we find the posts where you have mentioned me?
Besides this one that you have entered into we have this and this and this among others I am sure. I have not bothered to respond to all of the numerous instances where your obsession has compelled you to reference me, but I have chosen this one and the "eXXXtreme 4x4" thread.

We've never discussed dog breeding before, but you are so intent on pointing out the flaws of those who can't afford what you think is necessary for Rover ownership, that I lumped them all together.

Are you Jake Hartley? Do you want so desperately to be a blue collar working girl and pal around with morticians that you must wage class warfare at all costs? Do you come from money? Do you not? Are you wealthy? Are you working class? Once again, please make up your fucking mind. I suggest you go with the truth. You'll find it will suit you best. I don't determine the worth of someone's rover by how much money they spend on it. But I do judge it on HOW they spend it. If you read you will see that I have routinely criticized the cheapfucks and bigdawgbigbucks alike. I draw no such distinction.

And, I did not bring Ivan into anything. You did. You mention him, yet he has never talked with you before and could care less if he ever does again. He came here because he read what you wrote and he was angry.

Oh you didn't? How did he come to show up in the "Banned" thread? Prior to this very thread here, I have made no mention of him whatsoever, and that was only after he showed up to perform his David Copperfield disappearing post trick. He certainly "talked" about me in his previous posts. If you can count his crude moronic gesticulations and threats.

You see Jack, YOU started all of this crap about me being a poseur and driving a beater. Yet, I never claimed to be anything that you dislike. I post about dogs and cars and the few things I know. I don't post in stupid battles with people and I don't claim to be the greatest answer to off-roading or Land Rover knowledge that ever lived. I keep my truck clean, I don't fab stupid modifications that deface what I think is a perfectly nice vehicle. I don't attack other people for doing what they like and I never attacked YOU until you got your feelings hurt.

You have most certainly done exactly what you claimed not to. The most ludicrous being that you don't "battle"??? Do I really need to exercise Mr. Search again? As I've warned you before, you won't fare well.

The saddest thing to me is that I don't have time to sit around and wait for your posts to come through and to sit in front of the computer all night reading responses and looking at pictures!

Seriously?
Fucking seriously?
How much time have you spent responding to post of mine alone? You don't have time? Apparently you've got nothing but time. You are online and logged on day in and day out. To state otherwise may be your most ridiculous claim to date.

Why is it that everything I post is considered fluff to you, yet I don't see you jumping on all the other people on here who REALLY constitute this 'new' dweb you seem to hate so much.?

Where the fuck have you been?
They're getting theirs. I can't be everywhere at once, but I'm making the best effort I can. How you could have missed that, is beyond me.

Figure it out Jack. Decide what kind of conversation you want to have. Want to make it personal or not? Why make everything so public either? Why not give me a call? I'll be happy to email you my phone number...better yet, I've got unlimited minutes, let's say I give you a call and we talk about this like adults, eh?

Oh man, what a loser.
You think I want to chit chat with you on the phone?
You think I want to work it out?
Listen, I'm interested in what happens on dweb ok. I read it pretty frequently and the quality of the site means something to me. I don't give a shit about the "kind of conversation" I have with you. It's public, because this is an internet bulletin board. It's pretty much there for everyone to see. That's the appeal. Get it?
What I have to say about you or anyone else is public for everyone else to see and judge for themselves. It may influence some and not others, but its equally and readily available. The interactions between individuals on dweb set a tone and example for the online community as a whole. It doesn't work when you're chit chatting on the phone.
I'm not here to cultivate some private accord with some loser I'll likely never meet. That does nothing for me and I'm not interested. I'm sure as hell not going to waste valuable dweb post time gabbing with you. But in all honesty, I can see the benefit. Well I can see the benefit for you. Just think if all the truths I'd illuminated about you were a matter of private record. Well then no one else would know and it wouldn't make any difference.

Hmmm...

Nope.
Sorry.
Not interested.

 

[Lucasd2002]

As always the Rangie love was in effect.
A stocker is a thing of beauty.

Are you still running EAS?

 

[Roverlady]

I'm happy to see that you are finally coming to terms with the fact that you cannot remove yourself at will from dweb or your obsessive conflict with me. It almost seems as if your previous dogged denial of your own contradiction might be fading, and that is the first step.

You seem to know that there is no escaping that you do, in fact, care.
What you continue to be confused about is that I have never made any such disavowals about my own investment. For whatever reason, like all losers, you were so drawn to the "I don't care" argument that you couldn't to see the failure in logic that makes it so abhorrent to me. The same unpleasant and ironic contradiction that would prevent me from ever invoking it. For this reason you expect me to defend my own intentions after you have finally succumbed to the insurmountable weight of the obvious and done your best to grapple with your own conflicted interests. But I have no such need, because I have owned my commitment from the beginning.

I am upset.

Not about whether or not you "ignore" me. Or whether your crude ignorant and bigoted husband threatens me via dweb, or whether he would do so in person. I'm not even upset by the absurdly false claims you put forth without any evidence or foundation and logic. I'm not upset by your pathetic attempts to inject class, wealth, education and status into arguments where they have never been a factor. This is your not so subtle rallying cry to the mediocre and average compatriots that you embrace. You hope it will draw them to your aid, and at times they respond, but to little avail. You might draw comfort from these falsities, but they do little to aggravate me. Your attempts are so feeble and your arguments are so weak, they simply don't merit concern.

What does merit attention is something that you too have managed to focus upon. It upsets me. It disappoints me.

Oh Jack...here we are again.

As you can see, I do not have the luxury, if you would like to classify it as such, to set aside hours and hours of time and construct a response to you that would seem, to many, unintelligable and frivolously conjoined with high school vocabulary words. This harangue is your attempt to seem rational in argument and to vow that all your complaints and intolerable comments are justified. Yet, you yourself are quite guilty of bias and inconsistency. Why should you now (I must clarify for you that I use the word now to refer to the past few weeks of this year) feel the need to point a finger at my "inane and disappointing posts" on this website? Why, to begin with, should it even be of your great and serious concern?! My arguments and attempted responses seem weak to you because I fire them off in 5-10 minutes, hardly thinking of grammar and syntax beyond what my fingers can type sans editing. I am NOT interested in searching the archives to defend myself to you or in harboring great resentment as a result of your negativity. I let things go, because I choose to live my life as optimisticly as possible.

You feel my criticism of you is newfound. You find it in contradiction to my previous jocular interaction. The reality is not quite as you perceive it, but it is similar.

I have ALWAYS been disappointed by your endless and meaningless inane posting on dweb. However, I allowed myself to be restrained by your constant and meaningless pleasantries. I set about correcting people whose detriment to dweb was far far less and longstanding than your own, because you were a woman and because you were "nice". The reality is that I should have called you out on your bullshit worthless post marathon long long ago. But I didn't. And that upsets me.

Even when at long last I held up a single vapid example of your handiwork as representative of the larger degradation of dweb, I merely used you as a nearly anonymous sampling of the larger problem. It was hardly the personal attack you took it to be. But when you took such offense, and set about so ardently, aligning yourself with the moron hordes and defending their right to run dweb into the ground, that is when it all became clear for me. You were not harmless. You were not just as bad. You were, in fact, worse than most. You were that way, because like others I had let you become beyond reproach, something that no one on dweb, including myself, will ever be.

It's inconsistency and bias on my part that upsets me.

But I'm doing my very best to correct it.

The truth here is that it is your ASSUMPTION of my offense and my attempt to align myself with "the moron hordes" of dweb that led you to launch this diatribe against me and all that I have ever done online. My first response to you on the "Banned" thread was in jest...a sarcastic response that was, as annoying as it may be, in keeping with the tone of that day. It was your quick response in anger that began the downward spiral. It is not your job to trace which members of Dweb become "beyond reproach;" those you believe falsely show themselves as Land Rover purists or allow for slap-happy humor to overtake the General forums. I may be incorrect, but I don't believe you are a moderator on this board. That means you are internalizing this "degradation of dweb" as personally as you believe I have received your criticism. It is therefore my 'job' to do nothing but feel sorry for you and the fact that you can not enjoy sarcasm, humor and light-hearted human interaction in a virtual environment.

I spend my days responding to people, whether they are happy or not, and helping them to find the true meaning of their words. Perhaps you could have avoided some unnecessary interactions had you not just explained yourself intelligently sooner. You chose to name-call and make personal attacks. Your negative comments, to me and others, made your personal 'disappointment' and your fear of criticism transparent. You are quick to "call out" the people you believe are a waste of time; those that are ruining their trucks or those that claim to be off-roaders. Yet you pounce on those that would criticize you in a similar manner.

I come to Dweb to educate myself about vehicles and to interact with people who have similar interests. I do not come here to wax poetic or expect to be reprimanded by someone who knows nothing about me or my place in life. I have responded to you in a kind way when you had constructive information to convey and when you were thoughtful in your delivery. I have attempted to make jokes with you and to draw you in to amusing discourse at times; that is just my nature. I am not a person to have or to keep enemies. I will forgive easily but I will not forget. I was raised to be gracious and kind, and although I tend to lose that in this male-dominated sector, perhaps your one triumph here with me is that I am reminded of the life that unhappy, angry people lead and I realize, as always, that I should avoid them at all cost.

 

[jackp]

JSQ -

Hope I can ask a question in the midst of this skirmish:

What were you hunting?

Do they hold 'til flushed or run?

Does Madeline point or just retrieve?

Great dog, nice pics.

Thanks,

Jack P.