fear factor of pump-action shotguns?

[wturner]

Another point someone mentioned to me once, if you are in a state or region where the threat level of the situation may be influential in weather or not you get charged...If you do shoot the person, unload the gun on him, fire every damn shot.

This is what a shit scared person would do and if you are shit scared then the threat level was obviously high. If you unload one sniper round into his forehead from across your 10 acre spread, then chances are you were a bit more relaxed with a lower threat level.

EDIT: So I guess my shotgun fired at the legs and a cleaver for the rest idea isn't the best way to go!

 

[kennith]

I prefer the idea of them not knowing I have a firearm until it is far too late for them to make any decisions based on that information.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[wooderson]

Do you have a gun safe? Combination? Whats your address? When are you usually gone?

definitely have a gun safe. two actually. i have a couple hidden around the house as well.

reading that makes me sound paranoid.

 

[wooderson]

okay, after reading that it made no sense. what i was trying to say is that i have two gun safes and a couple of handguns stashed around the house for emergencies.

still makes me sound paranoid.

 

[ptschram]

Another point someone mentioned to me once, if you are in a state or region where the threat level of the situation may be influential in weather or not you get charged...If you do shoot the person, unload the gun on him, fire every damn shot.

This is what a shit scared person would do and if you are shit scared then the threat level was obviously high. If you unload one sniper round into his forehead from across your 10 acre spread, then chances are you were a bit more relaxed with a lower threat level.

EDIT: So I guess my shotgun fired at the legs and a cleaver for the rest idea isn't the best way to go!

I had a policeman friend of mine who was involved in a shooting where the perp had shot at him, narrowly missing him.

When his backup arrived, he was standing next to his car pulling the trigger continuously. When asked why, he responded with "I was?".

No, he'd never been so scared in his life. He took his retirement the day he returned to duty.

My friend who owned the gun shop in the nasty part of town said that not emptying the magazine was the hardest thing he'd ever done-as he was bleeding from the three shots where he'd been hit by the attempted robber. In his case, it was the third time he'd been shot.

 

[apg]

Another point someone mentioned to me once, if you are in a state or region where the threat level of the situation may be influential in weather or not you get charged...If you do shoot the person, unload the gun on him, fire every damn shot.

Just don't do what Jean Harris, the woman who shot/killed the Scarsdale diet doctor did:
Empty her pistol - and then reload. The jury thought that was a tad premeditated....

 

[az_max]

Just don't do what Jean Harris, the woman who shot/killed the Scarsdale diet doctor did:
Empty her pistol - and then reload. The jury thought that was a tad premeditated....

"Why did you shoot him 15 times?"

"I only had 15 bullets!"

 

[2FUELS]

I prefer the idea of them not knowing I have a firearm until it is far too late for them to make any decisions based on that information.

Cheers,

Kennith

X2

 

[jhmover]

Just don't do what Jean Harris, the woman who shot/killed the Scarsdale diet doctor did:
Empty her pistol - and then reload. The jury thought that was a tad premeditated....

I liked the one a few years ago, this gal ran over her husband, claimed it was an accident, then the video appeared of her running him over 3 fucking times...some accident.:rofl:

 

[Andrew Homan]

While in college, a "Friend" discharged a .45 ACP into my dresser. The room was 12 X 24 and of concrete block construction.

Thankfully, I have never seen in person a human gun shot wound, but can easily compare it to other animals.

Yes, I've seen carnage. I've also done industrial emergency response. I almost prefer fatal accidents.

I've seen so many gunshot wounds that I can't count them anymore. Many suicides many assaults. Shotguns in the mouth. Rifles in the mouth. Handguns to body and head.

Racking a shotgun is scary, having it shot at you is in a whole knew league. I hope none of you ever have to see human brains dripping off the ceiling. The smell of gunpowder and human flesh never leaves your mind. Never forget the destructive power of a firearm. Especially a rifle.

I'm sure jrose and others know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[ptschram]

I've seen so many gunshot wounds that I can't count them anymore. Many suicides many assaults. Shotguns in the mouth. Rifles in the mouth. Handguns to body and head.

Racking a shotgun is scary, having it shot at you is in a whole knew league. I hope none of you ever have to see human brains dripping off the ceiling. The smell of gunpowder and human flesh never leaves your mind. Never forget the destructive power of a firearm. Especially a rifle.

I'm sure jrose and others know exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm sure it never gets easy.

I have had to respond to a kid who had IIRC, 80K volts at almost 5 amps blow his big toe off and burn his wrist. I responded to a forklift driver who got his hand caught between the building and the cage of his forklift-blew the guts out the end of his hand. Responded to a kid who stuck himself with his jackknife in the gut. Responded to a woman who had a heart attack in the paint booth.

In my case, I cut two fingers off and have badly injured myself.

I've seen more than enough carnage.

Fortunately, the one fatal accident investigation I had to conduct, the bodies had been removed by the time I was allowed to return inside the building.

Let's all be safe and hope we never have to use deadly force to protect our lives and those of our loved ones.

 

[mdycus2980]

I think standing in the yard stark naked with a santa hat,fire axe and a demonic "I've been waiting for you..." might do the trick

 

[jrose609]

I've seen so many gunshot wounds that I can't count them anymore. Many suicides many assaults. Shotguns in the mouth. Rifles in the mouth. Handguns to body and head.

Racking a shotgun is scary, having it shot at you is in a whole knew league. I hope none of you ever have to see human brains dripping off the ceiling. The smell of gunpowder and human flesh never leaves your mind. Never forget the destructive power of a firearm. Especially a rifle.

I'm sure jrose and others know exactly what I'm talking about.

Andrew, unfortunately, I've seen my share. People can make the most realistic movies around. Saving Private Ryan and other war movies. Slasher flicks, etc. NOTHING compares to walking into a room where someone has JUST pulled the trigger, and there is atomized blood still in the air. The gun powder is acrid and sweet and burns the nose. The smell of burnt flesh........

I hunted quite a bit when I was younger. Before I was a police officer. I had no issues watching animals die. I didn't like them to suffer, but it didn't bother me.

After watching the life drain from someone's eyes, and they get that 1000-yard stare, you start to notice the same look in a person's eyes as you see in a deer's eyes. You can literally see when someone dies. I still like to go hunting, but it's more for the comraderie and being with friends than for shooting something. I could care less if I get a deer or elk anymore......Some dirtbag breaking into my house while my family is there, I got no issues.

I hope none of you ever have to pull the trigger or ever have to watch someone die.

 

[Andrew Homan]

jrose, drove through Boise today on my way to Texas (In Wyoming right now). Drove fast tried to get pulled over but no attention from the local heat lol. Actually I was in the motorhome towing the rover. Stopping in Moab on the way back you should drive down and wheel with the wife and I. I need to someone to rescue me from the heat and poor driving skills

 

[Andrew Homan]

One of the scariest incidents I was involved in involved a suicidal man in a second floor Apt who had a shotgun. He had fired about six rounds through windows at cars in the lot before I got there. (I was the second SWAT guy on scene) He was able to get out of his apartment and come down stairs. The rookie officer covering his door did not see him hiding the shotgun so he didn't shoot. He came out into the parking lot and sat on his girlfriends Mercedes hood. It was at this pont I tried to get cross hairs on him but had a blocked view because of a fence. What he did was put the 12 ga in his mouth. I'll spare you the rest.

No one was hurt except him. I recieved a complaint from a citzen because it took nearly 10 minutes to have SWAT officers on scene. He was also mad because I was not wearing approved Kevlar head gear which snipers rarely do. Go figure:ack:

 

[jhmover]

I recieved a complaint from a citzen because it took nearly 10 minutes to have SWAT officers on scene. He was also mad because I was not wearing approved Kevlar head gear which snipers rarely do. Go figure:ack:

so this was the local moron?

 

[jrose609]

jrose, drove through Boise today on my way to Texas (In Wyoming right now). Drove fast tried to get pulled over but no attention from the local heat lol. Actually I was in the motorhome towing the rover. Stopping in Moab on the way back you should drive down and wheel with the wife and I. I need to someone to rescue me from the heat and poor driving skills

LOL! Too funny! I was pulling my D1 through Oregon today trying to avoid the Heat. OSP likes to write cites to BPD. We've had several officers get stroked by OSP lately. Guess they should quit speeding

I did see quite a few Rovers on the road today. Nice D2 pulling a big camp trailer east on I84. Several RRC's.

I went to Portland and met Doug and Neil Shipman. Dropped the D1 off to them. Doug is doing my 300tdi install. Was going to do myself, but I just don't have the time, and my wife doesn't want my D1 sitting in the garage with parts everywhere for 6months. And I would like to be able to do a little wheeling before winter.

then took off to Puyallup to my sisters. Nice to get out of town.
When are you coming back through Boise? You should stop in. Drive safe!

 

[jrose609]

One of the scariest incidents I was involved in involved a suicidal man in a second floor Apt who had a shotgun. He had fired about six rounds through windows at cars in the lot before I got there. (I was the second SWAT guy on scene) He was able to get out of his apartment and come down stairs. The rookie officer covering his door did not see him hiding the shotgun so he didn't shoot. He came out into the parking lot and sat on his girlfriends Mercedes hood. It was at this pont I tried to get cross hairs on him but had a blocked view because of a fence. What he did was put the 12 ga in his mouth. I'll spare you the rest.

No one was hurt except him. I recieved a complaint from a citzen because it took nearly 10 minutes to have SWAT officers on scene. He was also mad because I was not wearing approved Kevlar head gear which snipers rarely do. Go figure:ack:

Yikes. Stuff like that stays with you.

That rookie is lucky........

10 minutes? Are you kidding me? That is damn fast response time. Most of our SWAT lives 20 or more minutes out of town. And that citizen was complaining? Haha. Those complaints are easy

 

[spydrjon]

Why scare them at all, when now is time for killin'

mmmmhummmm

 

[Andrew Homan]

Yikes. Stuff like that stays with you.

That rookie is lucky........

10 minutes? Are you kidding me? That is damn fast response time. Most of our SWAT lives 20 or more minutes out of town. And that citizen was complaining? Haha. Those complaints are easy

I have to admit the response time was fast because most of us were on duty or had been called in for other things less important. We had 10-11 fully geared guys there dam fast. It was over before an "all" page could go out.

I had to laugh my pager went off as I was driving out of town in the motorhome. :rofl: Didn't even want to know what was happening

And yes that rookie was very lucky!

I leave Texas next wednesday. So I should arrive in Moab in two days (taking my time) Cruise on down.