SCSL said:I think all of you are just "going gay" ,,, LMAO ,,,
i went gay long ago. nothing sexier than a man in a Freelander.
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i went gay long ago. nothing sexier than a man in a Freelander.
garrett said:now steve. now you are just sounding silly. downright giggly even.
what makes a stock Freelander more capable than a Liberty, let alone a CRV or similar vehicle?
the Liberty has low range putting the Freelander in the back seat right off the bat. without low range you are limited to what you can do out of the box.
i am sure in the right hands a Freelander can take you further than you'd imagine, but then again so will a CRV, Outback or Escape.
ps: and no they cannot come close to keeping up with Discos, RRCs or D90s.
Ever see me drive bitch boy-I am good with that shit. I'll drive that Darby silly, circle silly-I'll even drive you too.
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PS-Garrett is gay. He and I frolic in the woods together, deep in the woods wearing purple tights. Two and two hand in hand.
By the way-color is spelled with out the u damnit!
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u352 said:
he's french/canadian. you know how they are. haha
i think our friend Thomas has been wearing those tights too long.........all that blood leaving his groin area.
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no- it has a U in it- just ask the Queen. No, not Garrett... Colour is the proper spelling in ENGLISH.
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Is it just me or does anyone else with that Diamler would have bought Land Rover? I mean Jeep is going in most of the right direction the direction that most of us on this board would have liked Land Rover to go. I love my Rovers but if your thinking of buying a freelander buy a Wrangler . flame guard on
you won't get too many people defending Freelanders here. i don't see them standing a chance here in the US. why would they when there are plenty of better vehicles out there at thousands less.
the Land Rover name plate will not carry them here. as far as i can see they don't have very (if any) many redeeming qualities.
comparing the Wrangler to the Freelander is not really fair anyhow. two very different vehicles with different markets. compare the Freelander to an Escape or Liberty.
the Land Rover name plate will not carry them here. as far as i can see they don't have very (if any) many redeeming qualities.
comparing the Wrangler to the Freelander is not really fair anyhow. two very different vehicles with different markets. compare the Freelander to an Escape or Liberty.
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Escapes and Liberty have been huge moneymakers for their companies. The Freelander sustained Land Rover with big sales worldwide (although they kinda missed on the US market- not plush enough). Like all the newer Rover products, they're all softened a bit and getting more so- They DO have technology built in that makes them capable, but lots of people fear that same technology because lets face it- Land Rover has a hard time getting simple stuff right... high-tech is plain scary.
but i think the price point killed the Freelander here too. MUCH more competition here in the US compared to the UK. people were not willing to fork out that kind of cash when they could buy seemingly similar vehicle far less expensive.
to survive in the SUV world here in the US it better be competitive........and well the Freelander wasn't. people spending $35K were opting for a JGC, which is and was a better vehicle.
to survive in the SUV world here in the US it better be competitive........and well the Freelander wasn't. people spending $35K were opting for a JGC, which is and was a better vehicle.
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The Freelander topped at about $30K- the S and SE were $25K and $28K. People in the US went for Honda and Toyota because of reliability reports on Land Rover. The Freelander had a dated dashboard (improved in 04 though, but too late). Fuel economy was another killer- the Japanese offerings had the same HP and better fuel economy. It just wasn't right on many levels for the US market...
freelander vs kj (liberty), offroad doubt there is much comparision. I mean as pointed out the KJ has low range CDL and 3.73 gearing, coil over axle in the rear and pos IFS in the front.
Yeah price hurt the freelander here I think too. Overpriced for what you get, you could get a new DII for a just a little more.
Yeah price hurt the freelander here I think too. Overpriced for what you get, you could get a new DII for a just a little more.
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There isn't much comparison- the Freelander comes out on top. More clearance, ETC, less vulnerable components (steering etc). I've had to turn around on trails because the Liberty behind me couldn't go anymore.
The lack of low range really didn't hurt it much, but there are a few times when the engine just doesn't have enough grunt to get it- and low range would have helped. Not often though.
The lack of low range really didn't hurt it much, but there are a few times when the engine just doesn't have enough grunt to get it- and low range would have helped. Not often though.
oh no. we are not going to go down this road again. haha.
i don't care what you are wheeling. if there is no range it was not designed or engineered to wheel.
it has NO flex, no low range, no CDL.......ETC is not a substitute for any of those. maybe for the novice wheeler it is. just point and drive.
i think the US public made it clear..........the Freelander came out on bottom. actually it did not come out at all. well maybe just out of the closet.
then again we are talking with a person that takes a Freelander over a D1. lol.
haha. i don't care what you are wheeling. if there is no range it was not designed or engineered to wheel.
it has NO flex, no low range, no CDL.......ETC is not a substitute for any of those. maybe for the novice wheeler it is. just point and drive.
i think the US public made it clear..........the Freelander came out on bottom. actually it did not come out at all. well maybe just out of the closet.
then again we are talking with a person that takes a Freelander over a D1. lol.
garrett said:
Not trying to really get into this debate/argument/, but I'm a little cornfused as to what you have against ETC? I've seen it work great in some situations and not as great in others, but overall, from what I've seen, its comparable to having a CDL as far as helping you get over things and keep moving forward on trails. Haven't seen a freelander wheel ever, but plenty of DIIs w/ ETC.
sure ETC works. and it works well, but you can't substitute ETC for CDL. they do very different things.
ETC in my opinion takes much of the driving out of the drivers hands. and i have seen it get just as many trucks further on the trail than it has by stopping them dead in their tracks. especially on short hillclimbs where for that split second when the ETC kicks on and moves the power to the other wheel.........in that small instant you have lost enough momentum and forward progess is stopped. it can and does work well, but i would rather be without it.
ETC in my opinion takes much of the driving out of the drivers hands. and i have seen it get just as many trucks further on the trail than it has by stopping them dead in their tracks. especially on short hillclimbs where for that split second when the ETC kicks on and moves the power to the other wheel.........in that small instant you have lost enough momentum and forward progess is stopped. it can and does work well, but i would rather be without it.
lagged said:Freelanders have ETC and sort of a CDL
uh huh. i guess you have a commerical drivers license (CDL) eh? the day a Freelander gets a real CDL will be the day i score with the Olsen twins.
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stock for stock if you take a factory properly equip KJ it will go further than a freelander. CDL, More Flex, Better Gearing, full skids.
Now mod that KJ a bit and there is hands down no comparison. You can get full lockers for the KJ with 2-3" lift to clear 31-32" meats much more flex in the back due to a solid axle and upgrade to 4:1 gears. Its apples to oranges. Sorry to say the Freelander is more comparable to an escape.
Now maybe we need to define "offroading". That said a KJ still has it's limits due to the IFS.
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If you're going to start comparing them with $5K in mods, sure you can pile more shit on a KJ. Why not then compare it to a Defender 90 because you'd spend the same in the end?
I don't know if they have different packages for the KJ now than back in 02 or 03, but they definately didn't hang with the FL back then. They were useless... utterly and totally worthless in snow or even the smallest amount of mud. The FL excels in that environment and even far outperforms the DI in that environment.
I don't know if they have different packages for the KJ now than back in 02 or 03, but they definately didn't hang with the FL back then. They were useless... utterly and totally worthless in snow or even the smallest amount of mud. The FL excels in that environment and even far outperforms the DI in that environment.