Fully Locked RRC LWB
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The people who use their truck off-road and install dual TT's are the ones who are too cheap to buy ARB's. The only thing the TT's will do for you is ensure you break an axle/cv before grenading a stock diff. You'll hate the dual TT's at a place such as RC. You'll pin a tire in a rock crack and wonder why that wheel is not turning and wonder what all that horrible noise is coming from your diff. You'll see....
If you do swap the rear TT to the front, you have to flip the heli gears inside the TT. Hardest part is pulling the bearings off the carrier which is not hard at all if you have the correct tools. But if you're too cheap to buy ARB's you probably do not own that tool, either.
I did blow an o-ring in an ARB in 2007 at the RC Rocks comp. Right after I installed them I had one fail. I blame it on water in the diff. At one time I was one of those assholes who drove through deep water. After that I have not had a single ARB failure (except for MAR 2010ish when I was hitting the wrong power switch for the ARB pump and thought I was having an electrical issue).
Put your $500 in a mason jar and save it. Wait until a Detroit becomes available. Better yet, wait for dual ARB or Ashcroft lockers.
I will say, though, TT's kick ass in the sand and snow.
If you do swap the rear TT to the front, you have to flip the heli gears inside the TT. Hardest part is pulling the bearings off the carrier which is not hard at all if you have the correct tools. But if you're too cheap to buy ARB's you probably do not own that tool, either.
I did blow an o-ring in an ARB in 2007 at the RC Rocks comp. Right after I installed them I had one fail. I blame it on water in the diff. At one time I was one of those assholes who drove through deep water. After that I have not had a single ARB failure (except for MAR 2010ish when I was hitting the wrong power switch for the ARB pump and thought I was having an electrical issue).
Put your $500 in a mason jar and save it. Wait until a Detroit becomes available. Better yet, wait for dual ARB or Ashcroft lockers.
I will say, though, TT's kick ass in the sand and snow.
Having met Craig, I would not really consider the price to be the issue.
That being said, if ARB's air seal failures are the problem, perhaps go for the Ashcroft without the rotating air seal?
That being said, if ARB's air seal failures are the problem, perhaps go for the Ashcroft without the rotating air seal?
I just helped a friend of mine put dual TJM air lockers in his toyota based buggy. He had a welded rear and lunchbox locker upfront.
He was going to go with ARB, but the guys at East Coast Gear Supply said the TJM design has less failure rates, and if they do fail; It will just blow air into the diff. Instead of oil coming out.
He also went with mechanical levers to actuate instead of electric solenoid.
These are the actuators
He was going to go with ARB, but the guys at East Coast Gear Supply said the TJM design has less failure rates, and if they do fail; It will just blow air into the diff. Instead of oil coming out.
He also went with mechanical levers to actuate instead of electric solenoid.
These are the actuators
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I just helped a friend of mine put dual TJM air lockers in his toyota based buggy. He had a welded rear and lunchbox locker upfront.
He was going to go with ARB, but the guys at East Coast Gear Supply said the TJM design has less failure rates, and if they do fail; It will just blow air into the diff. Instead of oil coming out.
He also went with mechanical levers to actuate instead of electric solenoid.
These are the actuators
Looks about bullet-proof to me
That sure is a mighty lever. That makes the Gulf Coast Rovers switch look tiny.
http://www.gulfcoastrovers.com/non-electric-air-locker-switch/
http://www.gulfcoastrovers.com/non-electric-air-locker-switch/
Thanks for the reply Dan.
I am going to see how this works...it seems to work well for others - if it does grenade, then I just do something else. Now I don't wheel monster rocks, and hard/heavy, so we will see how long it lasts. If nothing else I will have empirical evidence for others
I may end up with ARB's one day - who knows?
I am going to see how this works...it seems to work well for others - if it does grenade, then I just do something else. Now I don't wheel monster rocks, and hard/heavy, so we will see how long it lasts. If nothing else I will have empirical evidence for others
I may end up with ARB's one day - who knows?
It works for others because the others have nothing else to compare it to. How many times have you heard someone with selectable lockers say, "damn, wish I had a pair of true tracks for this"? It doesn't happen.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the TT. The TT is a great piece of kit. If a stock carrier ever self destructs, like they commonly do on their own, I'm a firm believer that they should be replaced by a TT and not another stock junker. The TT's are great replacement parts or for the truck that sees light off-roading obstacles.
But I'm telling you first hand that the TT is going to do nothing but piss you off at places such as RC and the Cove. I'm not talking about on the big rock trails, either. Just anywhere you get cross axled with a tire pinned.....
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the TT. The TT is a great piece of kit. If a stock carrier ever self destructs, like they commonly do on their own, I'm a firm believer that they should be replaced by a TT and not another stock junker. The TT's are great replacement parts or for the truck that sees light off-roading obstacles.
But I'm telling you first hand that the TT is going to do nothing but piss you off at places such as RC and the Cove. I'm not talking about on the big rock trails, either. Just anywhere you get cross axled with a tire pinned.....
That's a big ass switch!!
I ran pneumatic switches for my Ashcroft lockers, and one simple switch to turn on my compressor.
Looks like a cluster.....
But it cleaned up nicely.
IMO TT are no substitute for a selectable locker. Absolute traction when you want it, none when you don't.
I ran pneumatic switches for my Ashcroft lockers, and one simple switch to turn on my compressor.
Looks like a cluster.....
But it cleaned up nicely.
IMO TT are no substitute for a selectable locker. Absolute traction when you want it, none when you don't.
There you go Brett. I needn't have said anything
Going back to your last statement: you need to be conscious about what you're trying to build. If Hammers is the goal, then the only substitute for ARB is Lincoln locker. If you want to have a truck that doesn't do one thing particularly well, but does most others equally [good or bad], then a TT is one hell of an upgrade compared to stock diffs. Technically, with stock brakes, a TT is capable of fully locking 31-32" tires. It would lock 35s just as well with a 4:1 low range and late Classic brakes.
The chap shot at the cost of an upgrade is silly. Even cheap bastards [like me] spend about the original truck's worth over the life of the vehicle just on parts and upgrades.
Going back to your last statement: you need to be conscious about what you're trying to build. If Hammers is the goal, then the only substitute for ARB is Lincoln locker. If you want to have a truck that doesn't do one thing particularly well, but does most others equally [good or bad], then a TT is one hell of an upgrade compared to stock diffs. Technically, with stock brakes, a TT is capable of fully locking 31-32" tires. It would lock 35s just as well with a 4:1 low range and late Classic brakes.
The chap shot at the cost of an upgrade is silly. Even cheap bastards [like me] spend about the original truck's worth over the life of the vehicle just on parts and upgrades.
Oh no, Chappy and Widener don't like my switch setup. Mounting pneumatic switches cleanly isn't exactly easy. I'd love to see where you two chuckleheads mounted yours. That switch plate can be removed and the stock one reinstalled at any time. I'll probably end up painting it black but the color isn't really the point now, is it?
Oh, painting that piece of shit breaker breaker one nine redneck hack would make it all better.
