So the government forcing a religious institution to pay provide something which is against their morals is just simply manufactured hubbub? You need to wake up, my friend.
Georgetown birth control
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knewsom said:
Get a job somewhere else. It's that simple. People need to take some responsibility for their actions instead of crying like children to their Daddy Barack.
Mike_Rupp said:
The hubbub is manufactured because Obama changed the law so that the insurance company pays for the contraception for all members, not the institution. This should have been the end of it.
Mike_Rupp said:
Getting a different job is not always so straightforward or easy. Religious organizations have to follow the same basic rules as everyone else, and this includes comprehensive health-coverage.
knewsom said:
No it isn't the end of it. He is throwing the first amendment aside. The constitution is just a little bump in the road to him.
As to getting a different job, cry me a river. Someone that is opposed to a religious organization's views shouldn't take the job in the first place. Apparently common sense doesn't matter.
Mike_Rupp said:
And here we go with the manufactured Republican hubbub. How, exactly, is he throwing the first amendment aside? I suppose the first amendment is being trampled because we won't allow active Druids to participate in Human Sacrifice either?
For years I dated a gal with endometriosis. The pain was excruciating. Birth control pills helped to alleviate the pain.
I'm all for that and similar uses being covered by insurance, even if the insurance is provided by a church that opposes birth control.
I'm not for the pill being covered just because some chick likes the way it feels when a guy cums inside her. Buy some condoms, or hit up the basket on the counter at the health department for free ones.
I'm all for that and similar uses being covered by insurance, even if the insurance is provided by a church that opposes birth control.
I'm not for the pill being covered just because some chick likes the way it feels when a guy cums inside her. Buy some condoms, or hit up the basket on the counter at the health department for free ones.
knewsom said:
Another interesting statement, right up there with the one about the winery's carbon credits off-setting their carbon tax. Again, the government is the all-knowing entity that makes proper decisions for the good of the people. Don't question the government, they know what's good for you, just accept it, go along with it, that's the end of it.
Blue said:
More tired rhetoric. Here's some more, "Let's not actually think about the topic at hand, let's consult the Conservative Playbook - let's see, under 'when losing'. Ah yes. 'Attack the opponent, regurgitate rhetoric, reiterate that government = bad'". It's tired, and it's not poignant. Let's talk about the issue at hand not broad sweeping philosophical nonsense with no factual data to support it that has no bearing on the current discussion.
As for me, I could give a rat's ass why a woman wants birth control. It's simply none of my business, it's none of their bosses' business, and none of your business either. Proposing that insurance companies provide birth control free of charge to those who ask for it has absolutely NOTHING to do with religious freedom, and that's a FACT.
knewsom said:
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It'll all be taken care of soon.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/vatican-dispatches-elite-team-of-bishops-to-sabota,27536/#
http://www.theonion.com/articles/vatican-dispatches-elite-team-of-bishops-to-sabota,27536/#
knewsom said:
You probably need to brush up on how insurance companies actually work, and where the money to pay with said birth control comes from. Hint - there is not some magic pot of insurance company money in the sky that can be used to give everyone "free" birth control.
Good point. I've known at least one woman in that situation. Birth control pills made a huge difference in her ability to just live a normal day to day life.stu454 said:
Also, I dated a girl who was prescribed birth control pills when she was young teen because of a skin problem.
I wonder how religious institutions plan to address situations like those.
knewsom said:
Ah, but it becomes my business when the President of my country mandates that all women are to receive it free of charge. It becomes my business because the burden of paying for all this "free" shit will be shifted to people like me.
Blue said:
Affordable access to birth control is not only a good thing for the country as a whole, it's been shown to save people like you money.
....and if you want to take that direction with things, I suggest you write some letters and start a new thread for it, since that's not at ALL what's happening in Washington.
I have considered this recently: if a lot of the breeding population in this country were given birth control it would likely be a good thing.
knewsom said:
Wow, that makes me all warm and fuzzy. How can I argue against affordable access to birth control? It's good for the country, afterall. Heck, it could even save people like me money! Hot damn!
I have absolutely no problem with "affordable access" to birth control. In fact, I do believe that this country as a whole does have very affordable access to it. How much does it really cost? I think you'll find that it's actually much less than the $3K that this woman referred to. I guess "affordable" can vary depending on your personal opinion but don't try to tell me for one fucking second that any of these people who "need" free birth control don't have iphones, ipads, ipods, and all the other little conveniences of modern life. As if you can't budget $30 or even $85 per month (if it is really the $3K over 3 years that she claims) to prevent pregnancy resulting from your lifestyle choice.
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