Georgetown birth control

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stu454 said:
I have considered this recently: if a lot of the breeding population in this country were given birth control it would likely be a good thing.

Birth control should be in every public water system. You should have to get a prescription for a very expensive antidote.
 

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antichrist said:
Good point. I've known at least one woman in that situation. Birth control pills made a huge difference in her ability to just live a normal day to day life.
Also, I dated a girl who was prescribed birth control pills when she was young teen because of a skin problem.
I wonder how religious institutions plan to address situations like those.

Answer: Too bad for you. Basically, there is a blanket no drug for you.

From my earlier post - I put the main parts as related to this below. (sorry, fixed the link):
SGaynor said:
And, if you read her "testimony" you'd see that she wasn't arguing for contraction, per se, but that women's reproductive health/services be given equal footing as men's. As opposed to be ridiculed and told to get back in the kitchen.




In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it?s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions? insurance plans, it wouldn?t be, and under Senator Blunt?s amendment, Senator Rubio?s bill, or Representative Fortenberry?s bill, there?s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, hese exceptions don?t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren?t, a woman?s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.


In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. ..Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she sat in a doctor?s office. Since last year?s surgery, she?s been experiencing night sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary.

Perhaps you think my friend?s tragic story is rare. It?s not. One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but it can?t be proven without surgery, so the insurance hasn?t been willing to cover her medication. Recently, another friend of mine told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome. She?s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it. Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown?s policy, she hasn?t been reimbursed for her medication since last August.
 
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SGaynor

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Blue said:
Wow, that makes me all warm and fuzzy. How can I argue against affordable access to birth control? It's good for the country, afterall. Heck, it could even save people like me money! Hot damn!

I have absolutely no problem with "affordable access" to birth control. In fact, I do believe that this country as a whole does have very affordable access to it. How much does it really cost? I think you'll find that it's actually much less than the $3K that this woman referred to. I guess "affordable" can vary depending on your personal opinion but don't try to tell me for one fucking second that any of these people who "need" free birth control don't have iphones, ipads, ipods, and all the other little conveniences of modern life. As if you can't budget $30 or even $85 per month (if it is really the $3K over 3 years that she claims) to prevent pregnancy resulting from your lifestyle choice.

Yeah, retail is about $30-$50/mo for the regular pill (not a special formulary). Her numbers are overblown, but her testimony was more about providing reproductive health care vs contraception (although that was a key point).

Should G'town or Notre Dame or Boston College, have to provide contraception in it health clinics? No.

However, It just doesn't make sense that a contracted 3rd party insurance carrier can be dictated to on what to provide. I'd be pissed if my company told my insurance not to pay for ____. The same people saying Georgetown should be able to, are screaming that Medicare shouldn't deny certain treatments to dying patients (read: Death Panels).

For me, it's a complicated issue.

Rush Limbaugh calling her a slut and whore is beyond the pale - if he said that about my daughter/wife/mother, I'd probably knock his teeth out. That's the only thing I know for certain about this whole debate. And it pissed me off when I watched Newt being interviewed and asked if Rush was wrong. Newt never said he was.

Maybe we should all refer to Rush as Rush "The Pill Popper" Limbaugh and Newt as Newt "Don't Get Sick" Gingrich from now on.:rolleyes:
 

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SGaynor said:
Yeah, retail is about $30-$50/mo for the regular pill (not a special formulary). Her numbers are overblown, but her testimony was more about providing reproductive health care vs contraception (although that was a key point).

Should G'town or Notre Dame or Boston College, have to provide contraception in it health clinics? No.

However, It just doesn't make sense that a contracted 3rd party insurance carrier can be dictated to on what to provide. I'd be pissed if my company told my insurance not to pay for ____. The same people saying Georgetown should be able to, are screaming that Medicare shouldn't deny certain treatments to dying patients (read: Death Panels).

For me, it's a complicated issue.

Rush Limbaugh calling her a slut and whore is beyond the pale - if he said that about my daughter/wife/mother, I'd probably knock his teeth out. That's the only thing I know for certain about this whole debate. And it pissed me off when I watched Newt being interviewed and asked if Rush was wrong. Newt never said he was.

Maybe we should all refer to Rush as Rush "The Pill Popper" Limbaugh and Newt as Newt "Don't Get Sick" Gingrich from now on.:rolleyes:

THANK you. :applause:
 

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Blue said:
Simple, don't call it birth control. It's just another prescription drug with a benefit for these people that need it.
Not always that simple. Some insurance companies don't look at what the prescription is for, they look at what the medication is normally used for and will deny it.
 

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SGaynor said:
And it pissed me off when I watched Newt being interviewed and asked if Rush was wrong. Newt never said he was.
That's funny, yet typical. A guy wants to have multiple sexual partners (his cheating on, and open marriage request to, his wife. In case anyone missed it) yet thinks a woman is a slut for wanting birth control to be covered by her insurance.
 

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stu454 said:
I have considered this recently: if a lot of the breeding population in this country were given birth control it would likely be a good thing.

I've thought about this as well and reached the unfortunate conclusion that much of the breeding population is too stupid to use it even if it was given to them...