Go ahead act like it didn't happen
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ptschram
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As much as I hate what's happened, I do hope that I can get my sinuses taken care of, my eyesight corrected, my hearing corrected, and my myositis treated into perpetuity.
I figure that by the time I no longer need to see, I'll be approve to have my eyes worked on!
Maybe I can get a new kidney now too.
Woo Hoo, the Obama stash is gonna make me the six million dollar man!
I figure that by the time I no longer need to see, I'll be approve to have my eyes worked on!
Maybe I can get a new kidney now too.
Woo Hoo, the Obama stash is gonna make me the six million dollar man!
great, if i get bit by a rattlesnake now lets hope it kills me quickly. I'd prefer not to die in a waiting room.
Actually, I believe the legislation will require you to be insured, and if you cannot afford insurance, you will be provided with a subsidized option.
If you have to switch healthcare after you're sick, they won't be able to deny your claim any longer, and even if you don't have to switch, they will no longer be able to claim that this was a pre-existing condition and deny you coverage.
If you have to switch healthcare after you're sick, they won't be able to deny your claim any longer, and even if you don't have to switch, they will no longer be able to claim that this was a pre-existing condition and deny you coverage.
My employer was already predicting this move. As a result of our soon to be facist health care system, last month I had to take a blood test, have a physical, and was "encouraged" to use a USB pedometer, was "encouraged" to upload the data to a website that monitors my activity, and was encouraged to start an exercise program. Based on my activity level, my physical, and my blood results, I have been given an overall "health score."
And if I choose to NOT do these things, then my premiums go up an extra $65 per pay period. I also have to sign up on 2 different websites to track my health.
Luckily, I'm not a smoker, because they are also going to routinely monitor my Nicotine and Cotinine levels. So if you get caught smoking, it drastically lowers your "health score."
I foresee any of the findings on my "health score" that are not in line with the man-behind-the-curtains standards causing my premiums to rise.
So for all of you that felt insurance companies treated you as a number just wait and see what the government will treat you as. Oh, you don't have to wait...I've already been given a number. I'm a -7.
To some degree I'm glad that my employer is taking a proactive stance on my health, cause I needed the kick in the ass to do it. In the same sense, it's a little scarey as it's just a taste of what could come.
For shits and giggles, let's just take score here:
1. Months ago at my foot doctors office, I was asked if I had any guns in the home.
2. I am being "encouraged" to participate in a health program.
3. I have been given a "health score".
I am even more of a "faceless number" than ever before.
These are all small factors in the grand scheme of things, but this is how it begins folks...
Time to build a better tin foil hat.
And if I choose to NOT do these things, then my premiums go up an extra $65 per pay period. I also have to sign up on 2 different websites to track my health.
Luckily, I'm not a smoker, because they are also going to routinely monitor my Nicotine and Cotinine levels. So if you get caught smoking, it drastically lowers your "health score."
I foresee any of the findings on my "health score" that are not in line with the man-behind-the-curtains standards causing my premiums to rise.
So for all of you that felt insurance companies treated you as a number just wait and see what the government will treat you as. Oh, you don't have to wait...I've already been given a number. I'm a -7.
To some degree I'm glad that my employer is taking a proactive stance on my health, cause I needed the kick in the ass to do it. In the same sense, it's a little scarey as it's just a taste of what could come.
For shits and giggles, let's just take score here:
1. Months ago at my foot doctors office, I was asked if I had any guns in the home.
2. I am being "encouraged" to participate in a health program.
3. I have been given a "health score".
I am even more of a "faceless number" than ever before.
These are all small factors in the grand scheme of things, but this is how it begins folks...
Time to build a better tin foil hat.
First, this is a tax increase because financially the US is in trouble. Tax increases start now while health care changes start ..... 2015, maybe. Maybe because, just as with social security, the tax revenue will be spent. Most likely to fill the social security black hole.
Pre-existing condition provisions don't start until 2015, maybe.
Cost estimates are somewhere between $2T and $6T, but are they accurate?
Considering that the full cost of this legislation is additional debt on top of the projected $22T to $25T, what is the impact of our significant and growing debt load? Consider:
Mathematically the financial destination is predetermined.
For Democrats, they exposed themselves for the corporate shills they are. The bank bailouts funneled billions to their financiers/backers (banks) while health care 'reform' enriched their big-insurance and big-pharma friends. A view from the progressive world:
In any case the Senate has to pass the House changes. This is probably headed back to the House.
Pre-existing condition provisions don't start until 2015, maybe.
Cost estimates are somewhere between $2T and $6T, but are they accurate?
If Past is Prologue When it Comes to Guesstimating Actual Health Care Costs, Well, it Was Nice Knowing You All...
- Table of "Historical Examples of Healthcare Cost Estimates"
- Error ratio of medicare cost estimates? 9.17 to 1
- Error ratio of medicare cost estimates? 9.17 to 1
Considering that the full cost of this legislation is additional debt on top of the projected $22T to $25T, what is the impact of our significant and growing debt load? Consider:
THE Most Important Chart of the CENTURY
"The latest U.S. Treasury Z1 Flow of Funds report was released on March 11, 2010, bringing the data current through the end of 2009. What follows is the most important chart of your lifetime. It relegates almost all modern economists and economic theory to the dustbin of history. Any economic theory, formula, or relationship that does not consider this non-linear relationship of DEBT and phase transition is destined to fail.
It explains the "jobless" recoveries of the past and how each recent economic cycle produces higher money figures, yet lower employment. It explains why we are seeing debt driven events that circle the globe. It explains the psychological uneasiness that underpins this point in history, the elephant in the room that nobody sees or can describe. ......"
It explains the "jobless" recoveries of the past and how each recent economic cycle produces higher money figures, yet lower employment. It explains why we are seeing debt driven events that circle the globe. It explains the psychological uneasiness that underpins this point in history, the elephant in the room that nobody sees or can describe. ......"
Mathematically the financial destination is predetermined.
For Democrats, they exposed themselves for the corporate shills they are. The bank bailouts funneled billions to their financiers/backers (banks) while health care 'reform' enriched their big-insurance and big-pharma friends. A view from the progressive world:
"No matter how you spin it, today is a huge loss for Progressives. We did not get Universal Health Care. We did [not] get even a public option that would put us on equal footing with the private insurers.
No. The Democrats who we put into office handed us to every business interest, the pharmaceuticals, AMA, AHA, and even the insurance companies, anyone but the public who had a stake in the outcome got his pocket padded with the public's money.
The Democrats even had the mendacity to say they stuck it to the greedy interest while being on our side when all the while they made deals with those corporations with which they sold us down the river.
You would have to be blind not see that, or you are a pretty big flunky for the Democratic party, and don't know where you should really stand.
Damn it. We voted them in, Pfizer didn't! ....."
No. The Democrats who we put into office handed us to every business interest, the pharmaceuticals, AMA, AHA, and even the insurance companies, anyone but the public who had a stake in the outcome got his pocket padded with the public's money.
The Democrats even had the mendacity to say they stuck it to the greedy interest while being on our side when all the while they made deals with those corporations with which they sold us down the river.
You would have to be blind not see that, or you are a pretty big flunky for the Democratic party, and don't know where you should really stand.
Damn it. We voted them in, Pfizer didn't! ....."
In any case the Senate has to pass the House changes. This is probably headed back to the House.
DiscoJen said:Luckily, I'm not a smoker, because they are also going to routinely monitor my Nicotine and Cotinine levels. So if you get caught smoking, it drastically lowers your "health score."
I see a financial opportunity here. They make potions to cover up the weed in your urine.....Somebody conjure one up for nicotine. I bet if it's not been done, someone is working on it right now.
mjbrox said:
Posted on our local paper discussion forum:
Under the reconciliation bill, individuals who don’t purchase insurance would be subject to a fine of $325 in 2015 and $695 in 2016. Individuals may be subject to a charge equal to as much as 2.5 percent of their income in 2016, if the total is greater than the flat payment.
So, it is still far cheaper to pay the penalty than it is to purchase insurance. $500/year v. $500/month? All this did was to increase taxes. People who can't afford insurance will still have a better deal if they continue to not buy it. What a joke - a very bad joke.
So, it is still far cheaper to pay the penalty than it is to purchase insurance. $500/year v. $500/month? All this did was to increase taxes. People who can't afford insurance will still have a better deal if they continue to not buy it. What a joke - a very bad joke.
A recipe for a financial disaster. Or ..... kill private insurance? Probably both plus higher unemployment.
Mmmmm ...... 99 weeks of unemployment plus 'free' government health care .......
knewsom said:
...which are two of the main points in the health care bill Conservatives have been attempting to pass -- without an increase in tax. DUOH!!
On the other hand, with this Dem bill, those who can pay, are now paying for those who can't or won't. SWEET!!
Forgot about this aspect of "deficit reduction" propaganda. From Denver Post:
Another $87B that is not health care related.
$940B
$371B docfix
$500B medicarefix
$87B studentloan
$780B start analysis in 2010(already over) and delay benefits till 2015
$2.5T accounting changes from Hillarycare
$?.? still to be accounted for
$5.18T/decade in total new deficit spending
The CBO can only score the legislation it's given, and this legislation double-counts Medicare cuts and makes hopeful pronouncements. Proponents say it cuts the deficit, but a huge chunk of that cut comes from the federal takeover of student loans
Another $87B that is not health care related.
$940B
$371B docfix
$500B medicarefix
$87B studentloan
$780B start analysis in 2010(already over) and delay benefits till 2015
$2.5T accounting changes from Hillarycare
$?.? still to be accounted for
$5.18T/decade in total new deficit spending
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And an even bigger joke is our congress. After watching them last night leading up to the vote, they acted like a bunch of school children. They laughed and cried out at one of the most important votes that they will vote on during their careers. I think they could be just a bit more professional when conducting business. And btw is it me or is Nancy Pelosi looking and acting like one of those aliens from Mars Attacks.......MarkP said:
atriot:The immediate impact, let's look at Caterpillar:
CATs sales numbers:
If The Economy Is Recovering.... (CAT)
Another source off the wire has even uglier numbers:
Caterpillar Inc Reports 3 month dealer statistics;
Dec-Feb sales - filing
- Retail Sales of Machines:
Then consider:
Caterpillar: ObamaCare will cost us $100 million in first year
Realistically there is only one outcome for the above - higher unemployment, lower tax revenue, lower social security revenue, lower medicare revenue, lower State tax revenue, higher Federal debt .......
CATs sales numbers:
If The Economy Is Recovering.... (CAT)
Co reports retail sales of machines declined 20% y/y in Feb and sales of reciprocating & turbine engines to retail users & OEMs declined 33% y/y in Feb
Another source off the wire has even uglier numbers:
Caterpillar Inc Reports 3 month dealer statistics;
Dec-Feb sales - filing
- Retail Sales of Machines:
Then consider:
Caterpillar: ObamaCare will cost us $100 million in first year
.....Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House would increase the company’s health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone......
Realistically there is only one outcome for the above - higher unemployment, lower tax revenue, lower social security revenue, lower medicare revenue, lower State tax revenue, higher Federal debt .......
But why are CATs health care cost going up under this advertised 'reform'?
Big Pharma loves Obama Care
Big Pharma loves Obama Care
From Tim Carney’s article in the Washington Examiner, Dems tap drug maker millions for PhRMA-friendly bill:
Of all the single-industry lobbies in Washington, the largest is the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America. PhRMA spent $26.2 million on lobbying last year — that’s nearly three times as much as the insurance lobby, America’s Health Insurance Plans, which spent $8.9 million.
If you include individual companies’ lobbying, pharmaceuticals blow away the competition, beating all other industries by 50 percent, according to data at the Center for Responsive Politics.
Given this Big Pharma clout, it’s unsurprising that the bill Obama’s whipping for — Senate bill — has nearly everything the drug companies wanted: prohibiting reimportation of drugs, preserving Medicare’s overpayment for drugs, lengthy exclusivity for biotech drugs, a mandate that states subsidize drugs under Medicaid, hundreds of billions in subsidies for drugs, and more.....
If you include individual companies’ lobbying, pharmaceuticals blow away the competition, beating all other industries by 50 percent, according to data at the Center for Responsive Politics.
Given this Big Pharma clout, it’s unsurprising that the bill Obama’s whipping for — Senate bill — has nearly everything the drug companies wanted: prohibiting reimportation of drugs, preserving Medicare’s overpayment for drugs, lengthy exclusivity for biotech drugs, a mandate that states subsidize drugs under Medicaid, hundreds of billions in subsidies for drugs, and more.....