Gun Control: A Realistic Look

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pinkytoe69 said:
It isnt just about creating efficiency in current procedures. For instance...

"For buyers of assault weapons and pistols, law enforcement currently has only seven days to verify the person's identity and criminal history -- otherwise, a permit is automatically granted. We should at least allow police enough time to verify the person's identity.''

Granted, this is just in Minny, but why?
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If they had their act together it should never take that long. Takes me about 5 minutes although, my last name isn't "Smith". They probably have the time limit so that an anti-gun sherif or other local official can't delay the process or just "forget" to do the background checks enacting a form of local gun control. Are there issues like this that can and should be cleaned up? Absolutley!!
 
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Eric N. said:
See this type of thing bothers me too. If the state and feds had their act together he would have never gotten approved but, they failed. So instead of making a big push to get their info corrected and their reporting procedures fixed they just wanted to make new laws that further restrict people that aren't the problem while doing nothing to actually fix the real issue. Just like Biden a few days ago saying that they don't have the resources to go after people that lie on their background check paperwork. So you don't have the resources to enforce current laws and procedures but, you're going to find the resources to make and enforce new laws that aren't really needed if you enforced the current ones. It's a joke, a very sad joke.
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I believe one of the EOs is aimed at addressing the issue of incomplete background checks and poor cooperation between agencies.
 
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knewsom said:
I believe one of the EOs is aimed at addressing the issue of incomplete background checks and poor cooperation between agencies.
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I'm fine with their info getting fixed it's the rest of the "ideas" that I have issues with..
 
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Eric N. said:
I'm fine with their info getting fixed it's the rest of the "ideas" that I have issues with..
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I by and large agree, though I'm ok with mandatory universal background checks, as long as it is not accompanied by registration. I'm definitely peeved about the 10 round thing, I'd have liked to see that limit at 30. The worst part is that banning "assault-style" weapons just makes no sense at all. Like that dirtbag couldn't have basically done the same thing with a Ruger?
 
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knewsom said:
I by and large agree, though I'm ok with mandatory universal background checks, as long as it is not accompanied by registration. I'm definitely peeved about the 10 round thing, I'd have liked to see that limit at 30. The worst part is that banning "assault-style" weapons just makes no sense at all. Like that dirtbag couldn't have basically done the same thing with a Ruger?
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Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President

Kris, there's nothing in the executive orders dealing with magazine capacity. Banning weapons and limiting magazine capacity will have to be done through legislation.
 
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Butch said:
I came across this site a few days ago that laid everything out in an easy way to understand. Too bad this info isn't getting out to the masses. I could help rational decisions could be made vs. emotional ones.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/
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They believe that this one compromise of 2nd Amendment rights will actually make a difference.

They believe that the gov't will do just this one ban and will not effect American's ability to defend themselves.

They believe that this is it, just one little ban on a weapon used only by bad guys.

The masses have their heads in the sand and will refuse to believe that site or facts.
 
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Unsure as to whether I should be happy that my rifle is listed on "The List", or not happy at all.

I suppose it makes the thing even more expensive than when I bought it 6 months ago, but if I remember right, this ban includes private sales -- at least, that is the push they are going for. So, yeah, I'm happy with my gun.

My little Beretta Cheetah just slipped by -- only 8 in the mag. If I keep one in the chamber am I going to be breaking the law?
 
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Looking at the list and what the Beretta mentioned by RB, I don't really get how the Beretta Cheetah barely slips by. There are many other high cap handguns that I would expect them to target first.
 
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1920SF said:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/dianne-feinstein-gun-list/61374/

I think I might own one weapon that isn't on this list...a 1911A1.
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The fact that the H&K USC is on the list has me scratching my head as to why? It's already AWB approved... Hell, I bought one durring the first AWB and they haven't changed them at all since then. No threaded barrel, only comes with 10 round mags, the stock and grip are one piece, there aren't any of the evil military AWB features on it. I don't get it.. Is it just cause it's semi auto? Or just cause it "looks evil"? They even had some 22lr on the list. Really?

http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/usc_general.asp


I mean, really, banning weapons based on looks is just stupid. Glad to see the M1a wasn't on the list. Guess if this actually happens we'll hopefully at least have those..
 
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Found my answer to why the H&K USC made the list. Thumb hole stocks are banned. Missed that part on the first go around.

I like how her stats that she uses are about weapons recovered or seized not weapons that were used to kill people or to commit crimes. What a joke. A really bad joke but, a joke none the less.
 
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There are a lot of AR variants that aren't on the list: LaRue, Daniel Defense, LWRCI.

It's whatever the staffers found that looked "evil." These people would be a complete joke, if they weren't capable of infringing on the rights of everyone else.

Also funny is the provision that all AWs need to be "safely" stored. Definition? How to enforce without trimming a little fat off the 4th Amendment.
 
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Not sure that I agree as I am not an AR expert. It says ALL AR TYPES, then includes a list.

So it is subjective to some degree, but likely AR Variant = AR Type.
 
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