Hand gun to take camping

kennith

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I have a single action army. 45 long colt with the 7 1/2 inch barrel. Simple and effective, and there isn't much to go wrong. Any single action, slender, large caliber pistol is a good outdooring firearm, and can be great for defence if you are one that tends to hit what you shoot at. They are also very imposing, when one stares down the barrel of a proper long barrel Colt 45, he can taste the light at the end of the tunnel.

The thunderous clap these firearms produce is good for giving more dangerous wildlife a chance to run before you are forced to take serious action.

It is my opinion that if one is to kill with a firearm, he may as well be at least somewhat elegant about it. A slender single action pistol fits the bill nicely. Let's keep some skill about the violence, shall we? :D

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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I try to keep the violence in the bedroom... but if one must exhibit, one should aspire to exhibit well.
 

SmellyGuppy

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John Lee must be on vacation...

We are discussing selecting weapons for the sake of style and elegance, and he has not peeped yet?

Interesting.
 

SmellyGuppy

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kennith said:
I have a single action army. 45 long colt with the 7 1/2 inch barrel. Simple and effective, and there isn't much to go wrong. Any single action, slender, large caliber pistol is a good outdooring firearm, and can be great for defence if you are one that tends to hit what you shoot at. They are also very imposing, when one stares down the barrel of a proper long barrel Colt 45, he can taste the light at the end of the tunnel.

The thunderous clap these firearms produce is good for giving more dangerous wildlife a chance to run before you are forced to take serious action.

It is my opinion that if one is to kill with a firearm, he may as well be at least somewhat elegant about it. A slender single action pistol fits the bill nicely. Let's keep some skill about the violence, shall we? :D

Cheers,

Kennith

I'll add to this though that an accurate reproduction SAA is not the way to go for his application. Vaquero, Baretta stampede, etc "based" on the SAA are right for his needs (safety is paramount here), but it scares me to see people who really don't know how to handle a true SAA buying them. They are tempermental if not downright unsafe if you don't know about the quirks to expect, and they *usually* require a bit of tweaking to keep them shooting well.

That said, the peacemaker design is a thing of beauty. I love them, and I would love a USFA Gunslinger tricked out with all the options!
 

Monty_1604

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Okay antichrist, I'll jump into the Glock camp for you.

My duty weapon is a Glock 23 in .40 caliber, with Trituim night sights. When I first was assigned this weapon we were coming off Smith and Wesson .40 cals.

My the Smiths were heavy sum bitches and were not made for concealed carry in my opinion. The Glock filled that role nicley. I have to admit, it took me almost 6 months of practice to shoot as well with the Glock as with the Smith. The grip of the Glock doesn't lend itself to "natural" pointing as the Smith did. Needless to say, after some practice the Glock is very nice and realible.

If I got to chose my duty weapon it would be something in .45 caliber line, I even like the 45 Glock Auotmatic Pistol round they just came out with...

The most important thing about your first gun, or one that you will rely on is practice, practice, practice with it. You need to know that weapon's capabilities are backwards and forwards, how to combat load without taking your eyes off the target and how to point shoot for close in targets.

Here endth the sermon.
Chris
 

kennith

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SmellyGuppy said:
I'll add to this though that an accurate reproduction SAA is not the way to go for his application. Vaquero, Baretta stampede, etc "based" on the SAA are right for his needs (safety is paramount here), but it scares me to see people who really don't know how to handle a true SAA buying them. They are tempermental if not downright unsafe if you don't know about the quirks to expect, and they *usually* require a bit of tweaking to keep them shooting well.

That said, the peacemaker design is a thing of beauty. I love them, and I would love a USFA Gunslinger tricked out with all the options!

They do require constant tinkering, and that same fact keeps them going. True, a proper reproduction is silly, as the metal was soft, springs weren't as good, and tolerances were poor. I have an authentic hand-made reproduction, and though it is fun, I wouldn't wish it on anyone else. :D

That said, the design was sound and reliable. I tend to think far in the future, if something can't survive at least 50 years with constant use, I generally don't want anything at all to do with it, and if I design something, you can bet it will take a while to complete. You can, however, rest assured that it will be completely field servicable, easy to disassemble, and able to survive countless such disassemblies while still going back together properly.

A modern proper SAA based revolver solves the issue of inferior materials and construction. You are left with a simple, effective firearm. True, there is no safety, and there are no safety features. If you have all six chambers loaded, and drop the weapon, odds are it will go off. Dropping the hammer on an empty chamber when the firearm is not in use solves this issue nicely. You shouldn't need any more than five rounds, anyway. The safety issue is then handled by the fact that you must cock it and pull the trigger to fire the weapon.

They do require real skill to use. You can't simply smack the hammer around, the trigger pull is light and nonexistant, and they behave differently. Once you cock the hammer, you had better take aim, and thats pretty much the end of it. :D

Many modern versions also use different methods to ignite the cartridge as well, as the old pin in the hammer method was not the best. You will stil need to spend much more quality time tinkering with it than you would other designs, but like a Rover, it will be there for you in the pinch, for years and years to come. It just loves attention. :D

Plastic guns are not even remotely close to meeting my requirements.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

woldd90

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Not to hijack the post, but I have been very curious about bring a gun "where legal" camping, hiking or out in the woods... I figure it is better to be safe then sorry.

So, here is the question: Have any of you had to use it? To scare an animal away? To kill an animal (other than hunting)? Some other reason?

Been hastled by the rangers, etc.

Thanks,

Scott
 

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woldd90 said:
Not to hijack the post, but I have been very curious about bring a gun "where legal" camping, hiking or out in the woods... I figure it is better to be safe then sorry.

So, here is the question: Have any of you had to use it? To scare an animal away? To kill an animal (other than hunting)? Some other reason?

Been hastled by the rangers, etc.

In PA, if you're licensed to carry (very easy for non-residents to obtain), you can have it loaded and with you in state forests and in state parks, with the exception of a few parks.
I've never had to use mine for animals and only discharged it for plinking. In the remote state forests of PA, I'm more worried about those crazy inbread stump-fuck hill scoggins than wild animals anyway.
I don't want to be the subject of the sequal to "Deliverance".

Mark
 

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woldd90 said:
Not to hijack the post, but I have been very curious about bring a gun "where legal" camping, hiking or out in the woods... I figure it is better to be safe then sorry.

So, here is the question: Have any of you had to use it? To scare an animal away? To kill an animal (other than hunting)? Some other reason?

Been hastled by the rangers, etc.

Thanks,

Scott

In Idaho State Parks, you can have a firearm in your possession but it has to be unloaded at all times or remain in the vehicle. Most National Parks have similar rules. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and US Forest Service lands are typically much more lenient, as most of these lands are opened for hunting.

As for shooting an animal, that gets into a bit of a grey area (How grey? Charcoal). Depending on the animal and the area, you may run across species that are endangered or protected. Grizzly bears out here are a prime example. Injuring or killing these animals will get you in trouble...regardless of the situation.

The best advice I can give you is to do everything you can to avoid using deadly force. If you do have to pull the trigger, make it count and take as many shots as you need to incapacitate the animal. Forget warning shots.

If you do have to put an animal down, be sure to report it right away to the nearest officer. While you will most likely get a lot of questioning and you may get a citation, it will be a whole lot worse if they you out the hard way.
 

Eric N.

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I wouldn't worry about the animals.. It's the whacked out crack/methheads that are the reason that I carry a gun in the woods.. You will most likely never need it and it will be extra weight to carry but, the one time you do need it, you'll be glad you have it..

Just make sure you check the rules of where you are going..

Another thing to consider is the people you are around.. I ussually keep mine in a gun box near me when camping with a group of people instead of wearing it.. Not everyone likes guns and it makes some people really nervous to have them around and it's all about having a good time for everyone so "out of sight out of mind" is a good thing to think about.. When hiking you may not have a choice though as stuffing it in your back pack may be considered conceled carry and depending on where you are and if you have a permit that could get you in trouble.. However, you'd have to be doing some thing wrong in the first place to get searched..

Also, a .40, .38, 9mm, and so on aren't going to drop a charging bear ( or almost any charging animal for that matter ) so it's really just a noise maker to the animals..


Tyler - Are you available those days every week or just this week?
 
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woldd90

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Thanks Guys... I appreciate the info... I've been kicking around the idea of getting a concealed weapons permit, for these and other reasons. Here in GA, it is reciprical in 14 other states.

Scott

BTW, it's interesting that if you kill a charging grizzly bear you will get a citation, but if the grizzly killed you, the rangers would hunt it down and kill it anyways. Ironic.
 
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Eric no worries about this week. Yes those are my normal days off.
 

bri

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Eric N. said:
I wouldn't worry about the animals.. It's the whacked out crack/methheads that are the reason that I carry a gun in the woods.. You will most likely never need it and it will be extra weight to carry but, the one time you do need it, you'll be glad you have it..

Have yet to see any whacked out crack/methheads in the "woods" around these parts. Sure on the 4x4 trails, you might see a few partiers on the nearby trails, but the woods? Man that sucks. Have yet to see this on any trails in CO, UT, etc, but I do not go to many places where there are hoards of people.

Thanks for the tip, I'll remember not to move to VA or to go out in the woods in VA. LOL.

I think on the trail (i.e. hiking trail), a gun would be handy for a desparate situation with a wild animal or for signalling. Other than practice, I see no real need to have it in camp except for maybe "home defense", but I generally do not take it or use it for that purpose when camping.
 
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bri

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woldd90 said:
Not to hijack the post, but I have been very curious about bring a gun "where legal" camping, hiking or out in the woods... I figure it is better to be safe then sorry.

So, here is the question: Have any of you had to use it? To scare an animal away? To kill an animal (other than hunting)? Some other reason?

Been hastled by the rangers, etc.

Thanks,

Scott

I have carried mine on a few back country trips. Usually carried in the open. Each time I wonder if it is worth the weight.

No, No, No, No and No are the answers to your questions. The only reason I have shot it in the back country was target practice.
 

Eric N.

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bri said:
Have yet to see any whacked out crack/methheads in the "woods" around these parts. Sure on the 4x4 trails, you might see a few partiers on the nearby trails, but the woods? Man that sucks. Have yet to see this on any trails in CO, UT, etc, but I do not go to many places where there are hoards of people.

Thanks for the tip, I'll remember not to move to VA or to go out in the woods in VA. LOL.

I think on the trail (i.e. hiking trail), a gun would be handy for a desparate situation with a wild animal or for signalling. Other than practice, I see no real need to have it in camp except for maybe "home defense", but I generally do not take it or use it for that purpose when camping.


Long time ago I was camping with a friend and this barefooted guy comes out of nowhere pretty strung out on some thing and thought that he was going to eat breakfast with us... Needless to say at the time I didn't carry but, I do now... Stuff like that hasn't happend since then but, I have come across some real whacko folks out in the woods that you just never know about... Luckly they keep moving and so do I.