Homeland Security or Gestapo?

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RBBailey

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Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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The modern "Liberal" has long tried to ignore the existence of this sentence. This is where abortion, socialized medicine, welfare, and a few other hot button issues should actually reside. They ignore it because they know their power lies in Congress, not in the individual states. "Liberalism" is strongest in the most populated areas, the most populated areas are few and far between, but they hold the most power in Congress.

It is interesting that they use it when they want it though. Oregon used it just two years ago when they took the Bush Admin to court, the Supreme Court, for the right to use Federally Illegal drugs to prescribe for suicide. I disagree with the suicide law, but I agree with the Supreme Court in their ruling in favor of Oregon.
 
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This has to be the most inane study ever, or there was an agenda behind it. First, why is this not a balanced study of extremism, both right and left? Second, why immediatley conflate extremism and terrorism on page 2?

How this document is interpreted by those with a brain:



The problem with this is the emerging gulf between the new-left and conservatives / classic liberals. Some attacks on Obama feel like payback for BDS. When the political tables turn expect to see the new-left labeled terrorist.
 
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We lost our way when we began defining patriotism as support of the state, rather than support of the Constitution.

It is no suprise, therefore, that vocal support for the Constitution, and insisting on Constitutional government, should be branded as "radical" or "dangerous."

This is how far we've moved...

The only good thing about this is that it should be a lesson for thinking Republicans - that Republican statism is no better than Democrat statism. All those Republicans who supported the creation of something as UnAmerican as the Dept of Homeland Security are now shocked that it's being used against them by the next administration.

In reality, all those supporters did was enable and empower the further expansion of the state at the expense, naturally, of the people. So now many reap what they have sown.

Sadly, this is only the beginning. And sadly, based on the rampant statism still fundamental to the modern American political character, we have a long way to go where support for the Constitution is once again "mainstream".
 
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Blueboy said:
exactly Ron.

check out what is taking place in Texas.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HC00050I.htm

NH started this last year and it appears to be spreading.

I've heard GA is citing the 9th Ad in their bill.


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Perhaps someone from, or who knows the laws in, Texas can verify this.
I have understood that one of the provisions setforth by Texas as a condition to there joining the union was that at any time they could be split into 5 different states of their choosing, thus giving them 4 additional votes in the senate.

That is also why the Texas flag is the only flag allowed to fly at the same height as the American flag.

God bless Texas!
 
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spydrjon said:
Perhaps someone from, or who knows the laws in, Texas can verify this.
I have understood that one of the provisions setforth by Texas as a condition to there joining the union was that at any time they could be split into 5 different states of their choosing, thus giving them 4 additional votes in the senate.
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I'm not sure this is always a good thing.

That is also why the Texas flag is the only flag allowed to fly at the same height as the American flag.
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From what I've read about the American flag ( a long time ago, for a scout troop), the only "flag" is the American flag; the states have "banners".
And no "banner" flies at the same height as the American flag.
:patriot:
 
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Nobody here should be surprised ......

Officials: Agency involved in ‘overcollection’ of communication by Americans
The New York Times ^ | updated 2:24 a.m. ET, Thurs., April 16, 2009 | By Eric Lichtblau and James Risen

WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews. ....​


Recent? Like the last 3 months ....... ? So Obama has taken it from international communications to domestic communications?

:rofl:
 
jhmover

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Ballah06 said:
HELL YEAH, and anyone who argues with him during a debate will get a roundhouse kick to the face (and a Total Gym settlement package).
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Hell with the Total Gym....send me Christie Brinkley!!!!
 
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MarkP said:
Nobody here should be surprised ......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2230593/posts"]Officials: Agency involved in ?overcollection? of communication by Americans
The New York Times ^ | updated 2:24 a.m. ET, Thurs., April 16, 2009 | By Eric Lichtblau and James Risen

WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews. ....​

Recent? Like the last 3 months ....... ? So Obama has taken it from international communications to domestic communications?
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Wrong again, dude. :rolleyes: The NSA was wire-tapping *every* journalist in the country - every single one - for the last six years of the Bush administration. Or so says a former NSA analyst and whistle-blower, Russell Tice. Then they switched to monitoring *everyone* else circa 2005.

"The National Security Agency had access to ALL Americans' communications --- faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications. It didn't matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made foreign communications at all. They monitored ALL communications."
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Talk about going beyond Constitutional limits....:mad:
 
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It is time to turn off the "financial tap" that allows the "drunken sailors" that we call "Government" to continue on their reckless spending spree . . . can we all change our W-4's to 10 dependants each ???

How can we stop ENABLING THEM today ???
 
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was anyone on discoweb bitching when Bush invented the dept of homeland security?
 
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junkyarddisco said:
was anyone on discoweb bitching when Bush invented the dept of homeland security?
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Gee, I didn't know that evil old George had so much power.




I'm certain that both of the other branches of government were involved.

If you think what we got with George in power was bad, just try to imagine what would have happened had John (I was in Viet Nam) Kerry had been elected.
 
jhmover

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ptschram said:
just try to imagine what would have happened had John (I was in Viet Nam) Kerry had been elected.
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He would have unconditionally surrendered to Osama Bin Laden on 9/12.
 
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