How much is the standard cost for head gasket replacement including heads macining?

eliaschristeas

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I have a client who paid $7000 at the dealership before he found out about me - but we all hope you're not headed to the stealers. . .
 

gugubica

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ChawtonRover said:
I am getting my head gasket changed tomorrow should I be getting a valve job done too? I have a DII and it has 91K.

Yes, I am big on the "while you are in there, you should go ahead and..." syndrome. I would say do the valves, replace all valvetrain parts, including seals. Like I said though, while you are in there...
 

pjkbrit

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I don't get why all these Rover V8s are blowing head gaskets like crazy...they never had that reputation in the UK when I lived there and I've had 3 Disco's and a RR County here in the US and never had a gasket issue yet. What are we doing wrong???....Is it the shit gas here and all the emissions crap? Or are these cars that do lots of short runs around town?...lots of hot cool cycles....my cars rarely do a short run. Just interested....is this somehow inevitable?
 
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I just paid 1400.00 to have mine done on my 4.0 engine.
 

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agbuckle98 said:
Climb on in there and get to work friend! I hope you have 2 - 3 inches of lift on your truck, as well as larger tires, and a big ass winch bumper or at the very least a brushguard on the front with aux driving lights. Maybe your truck also has mud all over the engine bay that you have to contend with. Of course, you may have been considerate enough to yourself to hose most of it out of there. Ready? GO! I'm timing you.



I see what you guys are saying, but I deal with similar stuff all the time. First off, I live in Wisconsin. Find a bolt here that isn't rusty. Aluminum blocks and heads are common on pretty much any vehicle nowadays. I guess I just can't see the complicated part of these vehicles, but I'm used to working on oddball cars and trucks.

As for the accessories, it can't be any worse than poorly installed aftermarket boost controllers, intercoolers, turbo kits, nitrous systems, and other hack jobs. As for the lift and other accessories, once again, I live in Wisconsin. Try finding a truck without those things.

It just kinda caught me off guard that they would charge more than what some far more complicated vehicles do.
 

JSQ

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GSxTC said:
How the hells is it taking 14 hours to do the head gaskets!!!! Christ, I can do them on a 4v Mustang Cobra in 9, and that's taking it slow. I can do the things on a newer 300ZX Twin turbo in less time than a Disco?? Seriously, these things are NOT that complicated, how are shops actually charging 14 hours to do them?


I couldn't do Bosch HGs PROPERLY in a day even if I had a machined set of heads on exchange ready to go.

I've seen some fast techs bust the job out, but it's tough to do in one session without fucking stuff up.


I'm not certain but your post makes it sounds like you're comparing your experience with two completely different CARS to a truck you've never actually done a HG on?
 

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pjkbrit said:
I don't get why all these Rover V8s are blowing head gaskets like crazy...they never had that reputation in the UK when I lived there and I've had 3 Disco's and a RR County here in the US and never had a gasket issue yet. What are we doing wrong???....Is it the shit gas here and all the emissions crap? Or are these cars that do lots of short runs around town?...lots of hot cool cycles....my cars rarely do a short run. Just interested....is this somehow inevitable?


They aren't "blowing" them.
They're just leaking.

I've only seen a "blown" HG on a rover three times.
Every rover V8 I've ever seen leaked and needed a HG at some point.
It's really just part of the regular service on the vehicle. Say at about a 75K mile interval.



I have to note I'm happy to see a HG thread going again at long last.
It's like people are actually thinking of taking care of their trucks again instead of just endlessly topping the fuckers up.

Sure HG talk is boring, but it's an indicator that people just might give a fuck about their trucks.
 

Nomar

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Re: How much is the standard cost for head gasket replacement including heads macining?

liboton, just top it off for awhile ;)
 

dave_lucas

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pjkbrit said:
I don't get why all these Rover V8s are blowing head gaskets like crazy...

In my opinion I think that a lot of head gasket jobs are being mis diagnosed or pushed on people when they are not really necessary.

For example

I know someone that was told that they needed the head gaskets replaced on a 1995 disco just a few weeks ago "due to an oil leak" was what the tech said. I want to say the quote was for $2700.

The oil appears to be coming from the valve covers, no drips, just a light coat of oil on the side of the heads. The disco runs perfect with no coolant loss.

Another Example

I took my wife?s 98 DI into an independent rover shop to have some work done on it one time and was told that he could smell coolant so my head gaskets need replaced. I opened the hood, looked around and found a hose that was slightly leaking. His explanation went something like this...

"Well the hose is probably failing because your headgasket is leaking?.

Hmmm... it ran perfect, no coolant loss, nothing in the oil so I went home replaced the hose and the wife is still driving it 2 1/2 years later with no issues :toetap:
 
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I don't understand the 300.00 per head quote. Why pay that? If you have the heads flat milled, and a 3-angle valve job done, you're looking at 100.00. Add in seals, and you're at an additional 30 bucks, max, after labor. The "new style" valves are 16.00 ea. So, if you needed all 16, that's only ~256.00, which is very unlikley you need all 16.
 
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Where do we get these prices? I've asked before, yet you never seem to answer where to get them. The intake valves wear well, but the exhaust valves and guides have been updated to address the carbon build-up and the sticking valve issue. Install factory reman heads with corrected stem height and a 1 year warranty. What do you get for $100?
 

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JSQ said:
I couldn't do Bosch HGs PROPERLY in a day even if I had a machined set of heads on exchange ready to go.

I've seen some fast techs bust the job out, but it's tough to do in one session without fucking stuff up.


I'm not certain but your post makes it sounds like you're comparing your experience with two completely different CARS to a truck you've never actually done a HG on?

Believe me, I've done cars and trucks of all kinds. I've been doing this for a day or 2. I haven't had to do one in a Rover yet, but I bet dollars to donuts I've worked on things WAY more complex, cars and trucks alike. I've done a few other things on rovers, just not a HG swap.

Also, what do you think car vs truck means? I have MORE room to work on the truck engines than just about any car. ALOT more room.

But, whatever. It seems half the people here are to afraid to wrench on their own vehicles, let alone do it professionally. So I would guess that Rover shops could pretty much charge whatever they wanted.
 

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GSxTC said:
Believe me, I've done cars and trucks of all kinds. I've been doing this for a day or 2. I haven't had to do one in a Rover yet, but I bet dollars to donuts I've worked on things WAY more complex, cars and trucks alike. I've done a few other things on rovers, just not a HG swap.

It's not the complexity of the Rover V8 that makes working on it annoying or time consuming. It's the relatively poor quality of the components. When you work on these motors you need to take the extra time required to inspect all the components you have the opportunity to check out. They may be on the verge of failure and it may be your chance to replace them. You don't just tear the rover motor down and slap it back together, you take the chance to look things over. The components are also relatively ill-fitting and tempermental. You need to take special care during reassembly to create the ideal mating of surfaces or you'll be readdressing the sieve like conditions that you're supposed to to be correcting sooner than you think.

I thought Kennith had already explained this:
kennith said:
To cover cleaning, vary careful removal and torquing of all bolts, repair of stripped threads, removal of rusted bolts that break off in the aluminum, removal of anything that came anywhere near the aluminum and rusted solid, bloody knuckled back breaking wrench turning in terribly ackward positions and with a high amount of very carefully placed force, replacement of hoses that have solidified on their fittings, and shrunk around the lips needing to be cut away carefully, cleaning the pieces of hose away that are still stuck to the fittings, you know, those sorts of things.

You would have to be crazy not to allow yourself 14 paid hours to do the work on someone elses Rover. Head gaskets are a royal pain in the ass with an aluminum block, and even moreso with a vehicle that has expensive parts occasionally made of unobtanium.


GSxTC said:
Also, what do you think car vs truck means? I have MORE room to work on the truck engines than just about any car. ALOT more room.

The Rover engine bays are pretty roomy.
It's getting at them that sucks.
Apparently you weren't paying attention when this was already explained:
agbuckle98 said:
Climb on in there and get to work friend! I hope you have 2 - 3 inches of lift on your truck, as well as larger tires, and a big ass winch bumper or at the very least a brushguard on the front with aux driving lights. Maybe your truck also has mud all over the engine bay that you have to contend with. Of course, you may have been considerate enough to yourself to hose most of it out of there. Ready? GO! I'm timing you.


GSxTC said:
But, whatever. It seems half the people here are to afraid to wrench on their own vehicles, let alone do it professionally. So I would guess that Rover shops could pretty much charge whatever they wanted.

The people involved in responding to this thread aren't.
And you aren't impressing any of them.
 
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pjkbrit said:
I don't get why all these Rover V8s are blowing head gaskets like crazy...they never had that reputation in the UK when I lived there and I've had 3 Disco's and a RR County here in the US and never had a gasket issue yet. What are we doing wrong???....Is it the shit gas here and all the emissions crap? Or are these cars that do lots of short runs around town?...lots of hot cool cycles....my cars rarely do a short run. Just interested....is this somehow inevitable?

Good question....

Why are Head Gaskets such a common problem on the Discovery ?
 

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Apparently, the mechanic fixed the coolant leak by using a sealant. The problem was not the head gasket, thank God. It was the valve cover gasket. Thanks everyone for all your respoonses.
 

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It's not the complexity of the Rover V8 that makes working on it annoying or time consuming. It's the relatively poor quality of the components. When you work on these motors you need to take the extra time required to inspect all the components you have the opportunity to check out. They may be on the verge of failure and it may be your chance to replace them. You don't just tear the rover motor down and slap it back together, you take the chance to look things over. The components are also relatively ill-fitting and tempermental. You need to take special care during reassembly to create the ideal mating of surfaces or you'll be readdressing the sieve like conditions that you're supposed to to be correcting sooner than you think.

I thought Kennith had already explained this:





The Rover engine bays are pretty roomy.
It's getting at them that sucks.
Apparently you weren't paying attention when this was already explained:





The people involved in responding to this thread aren't.
And you aren't impressing any of them.


So what I'm gathering from you is that, even though these trucks are being touted as very tough trucks, they are built with crap components and junk parts??

Gotcha.

Now, I was going to just apologize and say ok, but you had to dig all those other posts up..

So.... Do you really think it's any harder to get into the engine bay of the Rover even on a lift than it is to work on the NUMEROUS full size domestic trucks the shops see every day? I can climb in and out of the thing without any problem, just like any other able bodied mechanic. Lift kits, brush gaurds, all that is no different than say you're average Ford F-150, and the engine has more room around it in the Rover. So that nixxes that argument.

So, the only part of what you had to say that made any sense was the part quality and needing to take hours to inspect every little part. But in all seriousness, are these thing built with any worse components than the typical domestic offering? Or are we talking Yugo quality in a BMW pricetag?
 

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So what I'm gathering from you is that, even though these trucks are being touted as very tough trucks, they are built with crap components and junk parts??

Where have you been?

If you can't answer that question for yourself you need to stop posting and start reading.




sidenote: do you even own a rover? there isn't one listed in your profile.
 

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GSxTC said:
So what I'm gathering from you is that, even though these trucks are being touted as very tough trucks, they are built with crap components and junk parts??

Gotcha.

Now, I was going to just apologize and say ok, but you had to dig all those other posts up..

So.... Do you really think it's any harder to get into the engine bay of the Rover even on a lift than it is to work on the NUMEROUS full size domestic trucks the shops see every day? I can climb in and out of the thing without any problem, just like any other able bodied mechanic. Lift kits, brush gaurds, all that is no different than say you're average Ford F-150, and the engine has more room around it in the Rover. So that nixxes that argument.

So, the only part of what you had to say that made any sense was the part quality and needing to take hours to inspect every little part. But in all seriousness, are these thing built with any worse components than the typical domestic offering? Or are we talking Yugo quality in a BMW pricetag?

Crap parts are relative. Nothing Yugo about it, but they are very old fashioned motors with newfangled electronics tacked on to make them road worthy. The same basic design has been in production since around 1959. Give it a break, already, it's old. That same basic design has had the same basic flaws the entire time, too.

Get it a few degrees out of it's comfort zone, and pop. Let the coolant get too old, pop. Don't rev it like you should, pop. The problem can be attributed to many things, but overall, the motor is very tolerant. It will keep it's temperature very nicely, but if it does climb, you are going to be shelling out some cash. They will also leak eventually with age. Most all aluminum motors suffer similar headaches on various scales. Head gaskets are simply part of the experience.

The aluminum causes many of the problems, but in general, the motors are not the tightest machines ever made. You have to get things just right when they go back together. When I work on other cars, I am routinely amazed at the lack of effort required to do complex jobs, when even simple ones on a Rover require tools that take up too much room in the box.

It all comes down to meticulous maintanance. Keep it up like you would a swiss watch, with regular servicing and winding, it will serve you like a swiss watch. Sure, a Timex will be much less effort, but where is the fun in it? Service things that don't need to be serviced, simply because it's been a while. It's probably the only motor on the road anymore that's truely worthy of old fashioned preventative maintanance.

As for your experience in service, I wonder. Put wrench to Rover and see how you do. If you are a zen master midget bodybuilder with a masters in contortionism, tiny hands, torque sensitive elbows, an ear for shearing metal and steel knuckles, you might just prove us wrong.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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GSxTC

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JSQ said:
Where have you been?

If you can't answer that question for yourself you need to stop posting and start reading.




sidenote: do you even own a rover? there isn't one listed in your profile.

It's sitting in my driveway, not to mention the dealership I was working at before going independant serviced the local Rovers.

I guess it just made absolutely no sense to me how shops were charging more than we would have at the dealership. Our FR book quoted 8 hours for R&R heads, which is on par with most anything else. I hate seeing people get bent over because it makes the rest of us look bad. Ever hear the reputation most mechanics recieve in the world? We're just a shade above used car salesmen, even if our rep in our community is very good. So it strikes a bit of a nerve.

But I guess if you count in most Ind. shops don't have all the cool tooling, lifts, and other toys it could take them longer. Maybe I'm just spoiled. Who knows.